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Old 09-30-2012, 12:21 AM    (permalink
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JHL. give up. These are the facts.

For the past few years, the SEC has been the best conference. I agreed with that. What I said was that the dominance coincided with the increase in shady recruiting practices, to which you responded "Nuh Uh, the SEC has always been dominant." To which we all responded with the fact that the SEC basically has a .500 record against the Big Ten and has fewer National Championships in the past 60 years.

None of that is fact. The fact is it's just the opposite... flat out lies.


According to College Football Data Warehouse the SEC leads by a count of 24-13. It counts 1960, 1961, and 1965 for the Big 10 but they are not truly recognized as such. Georgia Tech was a member of the SEC in 1962 and is listed as NC for that year. All of Penn State's and Nebraska's NC were before joining the Big 10 so they cannot be claimed for the B1G.


You can do the math and subtract for the BCS era yourself.


http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data...hamps_year.php

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No, he only subtracted Nebraska's. Penn St's titles belong no more to the B1G than USC's.

It's a 16-15 lead for the SEC and there's still more bogus titles there to sift through...
I guess he did. I hadn't noticed. My point is, who cares? I mean I guess I don't get what titles from the '50s have to do with anything.
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I guess he did. I hadn't noticed. My point is, who cares? I mean I guess I don't get what titles from the '50s have to do with anything.

Because going back that far is the only way we can even have a debate. I tried to give him a fighting chance. There's no point in even considering the BCS era.... the conversation would've never gotten off the ground.
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The PAC12 is the only conference. So there.
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I mean, what type of insanity claims titles by teams that weren't even in the conference?

Using jrdrylie's standards of stripping Ole Miss, Minnesota didn't win the 1960 title because they lost twice. Of course, they have the wrong year anyway. Ole Miss won the 1960 FWAA title and they're arguing 1959. Given that congnitive dissonance with reality, I'm not surprised.

And it wasn’t only Jeff Sagarin. In 1984, the 9-1-1 Gator team was deemed to be “National Champions” by 21 of the 47 rating entities, more than any other college, and one more, in fact, than the “recognized” champion, BYU.

Besides Sagarin, the Massy Ratings (also currently used by the BCS), the New York Times, the Sporting News, and 17 other entities put the Gators number 1.

What sense does it make for you, jrdrylie, to not recognize Florida's 1984 claim since by your own admission, they had one?
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None of that is fact. The fact is it's just the opposite... flat out lies.


According to College Football Data Warehouse the SEC leads by a count of 24-13. It counts 1960, 1961, and 1965 for the Big 10 but they are not truly recognized as such. Georgia Tech was a member of the SEC in 1962 and is listed as NC for that year. All of Penn State's and Nebraska's NC were before joining the Big 10 so they cannot be claimed for the B1G.


You can do the math and subtract for the BCS era yourself.


http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data...hamps_year.php
In all honesty, most of the pre-1974 championships are bogus because they were awarded before bowl games, so let's start there instead shall we. And let's only use the AP and Coaches because those are the biggies and otherwise it gets ridiculous.

Big 12- 1974, 1975, 1985, 1990, 1994, 1995, 1997
PAC 12- 1974, 1978, 1991
Independent- 1976, 1977, 1982, 1983, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989,
SEC- 1978, 1979, 1980, 1992, 1996
ACC- 1981, 1990, 1993
WAC- 1984
Big East- 1991
Big Ten- 1997

That is pre-BCS. So it looks like the Big 8/Big 12, not the SEC was the dominant conference. And really, Independents were the really strong teams.
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I mean, what type of insanity claims titles by teams that weren't even in the conference?

Using jrdrylie's standards of stripping Ole Miss, Minnesota didn't win the 1960 title because they lost twice. Of course, they have the wrong year anyway. Ole Miss won the 1960 FWAA title and they're arguing 1959. Given that congnitive dissonance with reality, I'm not surprised.

And it wasn’t only Jeff Sagarin. In 1984, the 9-1-1 Gator team was deemed to be “National Champions” by 21 of the 47 rating entities, more than any other college, and one more, in fact, than the “recognized” champion, BYU.

Besides Sagarin, the Massy Ratings (also currently used by the BCS), the New York Times, the Sporting News, and 17 other entities put the Gators number 1.

What sense does it make for you, jrdrylie, to not recognize Florida's 1984 claim since by your own admission, they had one?
Sagarin and Massy were both retroactive (in fact, Massey was 9 in 1984) and thus ridiculous. Also, their wins were later vacated for rule violations.
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I don't believe I've ever seen a better looking pair of freshman RBs than what the Dawgs have right now. They remind me a little bit of Darren Mcfadden and Felix Jones, except they might be even better.
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Tedford gets a lot of leeway because he can recruit. You can see a ton of talent on the field, they just look poorly coached and very undisciplined.

Also, Zach Maynard is ******* awful. I can't believe they don't have a better option than him. Haven't they recruited some good QB prospects? They've had something ridiculous like 4 of the last 5 years with one of the Elite 11 QBs.
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The buyout for his contract is something ridiculous, like $10 million dollars. Cal won't fire him. Not to mention, so as long as they go to bowls and are slightly better than average, he'll be there for a long time.
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The passing numbers are ridiculous - Smith's performance was impressive but not as impressive as it could of been considering the fact quite a few QBs threw for 500+ yards yesterday. ESPN is basically pushing Smith for Heisman already like they did for Griffin last season. The fact Baylor is an uptempo team that plays the same offense and no defense was a perfect storm for Smith to put up huge numbers. The funny thing is no one is talking about Nick Florence's almost equally impressive performance.
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The Oregon State double tipped INT is definitely the coolest play I've seen this year.
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Also, Zach Maynard is ******* awful. I can't believe they don't have a better option than him. Haven't they recruited some good QB prospects? They've had something ridiculous like 4 of the last 5 years with one of the Elite 11 QBs.
I still find it hilarious that Maynard starts for them and has for multiple years
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this thread endured a slow and painful death.

Moreover, Nebraska had an impressive comeback last night - fun to watch. Wisconsin tried going up the middle to stay alive even though Nebraska had almost everyone right at the LOS and Ball didn't even handle the exchange because he couldn't take his eyes off of everyone that was already in his face. Real good game and good adjustments by pelini
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My top 25:

1) Alabama
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6) Texas
7) Florida State
8) Notre Dame
9) Georgia
10) Kansas State
11) West Virginia
12) Ohio State
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My top 25:

1) Alabama
2) Oregon
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5) Florida
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7) Florida State
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12) Ohio State
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21) USC
22) Rutgers
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3-0 against BCS teams. Hard to deny them at least a spot above all the 1-loss teams.
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Florida's at least 5 spots too high.
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WVU should learn rushing 3 every play will get you nowhere when the QB can stand in the pocket all day
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Wtf Urban.
First the ass comments now this...

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how did LSU one of the SEC's flagship defensive programs let up 22 points against TOWNSON. I don't ever want to hear anything about how dominant the SEC defense is from here on out.
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how did LSU one of the SEC's flagship defensive programs let up 22 points against TOWNSON. I don't ever want to hear anything about how dominant the SEC defense is from here on out.

Well, it's Towson first of all. LSU was busy game planning for Florida and slept through the Towson game.

Secondly, 22 points is about what Oregon averages their last 2 failed attempts at an SEC defense.

How about sparing us how good Pac-12 offenses are instead...
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Well, it's Towson first of all. LSU was busy game planning for Florida and slept through the Towson game.

Secondly, 22 points is about what Oregon averages their last 2 failed attempts at an SEC defense.

How about sparing us how good Pac-12 offenses are instead...
How about you eat ****? 22 points to Towson is not excusable for anyone who is relevant.
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How about you eat ****? 22 points to Towson is not excusable for anyone who is relevant.

Speaks awful highly of Oregon's midget filled offense doesn't it...

I realize you're upset that USC proved to be the overrated fraud that I tried to tell you they were prior to the season, but no reason for such hostility.

Now run along and get back to playing the only football you actually know... the video game you paused to make that post.
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