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Old 02-12-2013, 06:44 PM    (permalink
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Just curious to what Chiefs fans think of the idea to giving up two firsts (obviously this years #1 and next years whatever) to get Joe Flacco.
Chiefs, Browns, Jags, Bills, and Cardinals would all be serious threats to do that. Well, maybe not the Cardinals; it'd be hard for them to get the cap room.

He's pretty much guaranteed to get the exclusive tag to prevent this.
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Glad he's throwing at the combine. He can blow everybody out of the water and put this debate to rest and shut his critics up.

Or it could be the the famous line from Arrested Development.

But at least this strategic moves involves some confidence and attitude.
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Glad he's throwing at the combine. He can blow everybody out of the water and put this debate to rest and shut his critics up.

Or it could be the the famous line from Arrested Development.

But at least this strategic moves involves some confidence and attitude.
Oh, man do I ever miss that.

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Spoke w/ Geno Smith's rep, Jeff Nalley. Says Geno will do full workout at #NFLCombine. Good sign. Usually when one jumps in, others follow.
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Just curious to what Chiefs fans think of the idea to giving up two firsts (obviously this years #1 and next years whatever) to get Joe Flacco.
I'd be okay with that. I'm a Flacco fan but certainly not his biggest. That said, QB is a big need and he has proven to be one of the better ones in the NFL.

The Ravens will never let that happen though. Ozzie is arguably the best personnel man in the business and he knows the value of a franchise QB.
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i wish you knew what the hell you were talking about. just cause you been saying this for WEEKS, doesn't mean that your gunna draft Geno now. no QBs in this entire draft are gunna be worth a ****. NONE! they all suck. now, Luke Joeckel maybe the best LT prospect in like 10 or 15 years or sumthing. and EVERYONE knows that top LTs never bust and Albert is still gunna be a FA. i'm not saying, i'm just saying.
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Glad he's throwing at the combine. He can blow everybody out of the water and put this debate to rest and shut his critics up.

Or it could be the the famous line from Arrested Development.

But at least this strategic moves involves some confidence and attitude.

I guess Luck and Griffin were p ssies last year for skipping the skills part of the combine workout???
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I guess Luck and Griffin were p ssies last year for skipping the skills part of the combine workout???
Actually, they kind of were. They and/or their agents were scared of the possibility that they'd look bad. I give more credit to any player who works out. So kudos to Geno for working out.
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Actually, they kind of were. They and/or their agents were scared of the possibility that they'd look bad. I give more credit to any player who works out. So kudos to Geno for working out.
Combine workouts are for fans, the NFL Network/ESPN and message boards.
Not GMs or scouts.

Yes it's cheaper for teams to have all the top prospects work out at one central location, but it reveals nothing in depth about a prospect.
It's a good place only for interviews and to get official heights/weights/40 times/agility drill times/vertical and broad jump numbers.

But the real football stuff is scouted by studying game film.

If you're expected to be a top 3 pick and you're a QB, doing a full workout at the combine means nothing.

The rule and not the exception is for most top QB prospects to save their passing workouts for their pro days, not the combine.
Other than Cam Newton, I don't recall the last top 2 QB pick who threw at the combine.
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I guess Luck and Griffin were p ssies last year for skipping the skills part of the combine workout???
Luck and Griffin were absolute locks for 1 and 2. They could have raped seven women each and not done any work whatsoever and been taken there.

You think Smith's film has him on the fast track to No. 1. That's the split. A lot of people don't.

That's why I'm happy he's throwing. He can shut critics like me and all the reports of unimpressed scouts up. Or he can reaffirm his detractors beliefs that he's not necessarily a can't-miss QB prospect worthy of the first pick. Or more likely, he'll fall somewhere in between and each side will see what they want to see.

And then it will be up to the Chiefs.

But in no way is this situation comparable to Luck/Griffin.
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Combine workouts are for fans, the NFL Network/ESPN and message boards.
Not GMs or scouts.

Yes it's cheaper for teams to have all the top prospects work out at one central location, but it reveals nothing in depth about a prospect.
It's a good place only for interviews and to get official heights/weights/40 times/agility drill times/vertical and broad jump numbers.

But the real football stuff is scouted by studying game film.

If you're expected to be a top 3 pick and you're a QB, doing a full workout at the combine means nothing.

The rule and not the exception is for most top QB prospects to save their passing workouts for their pro days, not the combine.
Other than Cam Newton, I don't recall the last top 2 QB pick who threw at the combine.
Geno Smith has never once hitch-stepped up into the pocket. It's not a part of his drop. Or taken a drop with a depth on under center. Teams absolutely want to see him do this.

I agree that film is more important, but there is value to the combine process, especially for someone with shaky/different mechanics and footwork.

And you continue to call him a top-3 pick even though he hasn't earned that yet. It's not known if he's on that level in the eyes of the top-3 teams. And if anything, your observation about top QBs usually declining to throw at the combine is pretty good evidence that he has something to prove to the Chiefs and others. If the Chiefs were about him and his camp knew it, they'd likely tell him to wait for his pro day, especially considering how weak the other QB prospects are.

If you remember, Newton was NOT thought of as the No. 1 pick until after the combine. His performance there helped. It may do the same for Geno.

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Actually, they kind of were. They and/or their agents were scared of the possibility that they'd look bad. I give more credit to any player who works out. So kudos to Geno for working out.
well, they were also the best qb prospects since Eli or even Palmer, and locks in the top 3. Geno is neither. He needs to throw. They didn't
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Good to see Smith compete at the combine. It really doesn't mean much but it will be cool to see. Him throwing at the combine will have very little effect on his stock.

If the old contracts were still in play would the Chiefs still go QB?
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I remember hearing the same criticism about Flacco when he came out, and I know that tall QBs don't have the best track record. Is this just an issue of small sample size and NFL people jumping to conclusions, or is there some legitimate football reason that you don't want an overly tall QB?
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I think that its a foot speed problem. Being that tall, it's hard to be a quick runner with those long legs. Glennon just doesn't move that suddenly when I watch him. It isn't a deal breaker by any means, but quick feet and be the difference in a couple key plays for a QB.

I think Flacco is noticably quicker on his feet than Glennon.
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Actually, they kind of were. They and/or their agents were scared of the possibility that they'd look bad. I give more credit to any player who works out. So kudos to Geno for working out.
You may feel that way, but it doesn't matter. There is only something to lose, nothing to gain. People can use the scared, or 'maybe they would look bad' excuse, but it never matters. Ever. You throw and don't look good your stock falls, you don't throw, nothing happens. You might want to elevate yourself from a mid round prospect to a 1st round prospect, but nobody in contention for a top pick has any good reason to throw. None.


You may give more credit for a guy who throws, but that credit that you give them doesn't do them any good come draft time.
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There are certain traits I like to hear about possible top QB selections prior to the draft. I loved hearing reports from Auburn the minute Cam Newton stepped onto campus, he was the hardest worker on that football team.

RG3 was known for his game prep and study. Same for Andrew Luck who absorbed and processed Stanford's playbook until he could have called all his own plays.

For a former WVU coach to say he sometimes had to kick Smith out of the film room to go to class is a great positive sign IMO for his long term success in the NFL.
Didn't like hearing a former coach say however that Kellen Moore had a faster release(!) and that Brandon Weeden had the stronger arm. Yikes.
I'll chalk that up to my underestimating Weeden's pure arm strength.;)
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You may feel that way, but it doesn't matter. There is only something to lose, nothing to gain. People can use the scared, or 'maybe they would look bad' excuse, but it never matters. Ever. You throw and don't look good your stock falls, you don't throw, nothing happens. You might want to elevate yourself from a mid round prospect to a 1st round prospect, but nobody in contention for a top pick has any good reason to throw. None.


You may give more credit for a guy who throws, but that credit that you give them doesn't do them any good come draft time.
Then why did Geno choose to throw if there's nothing to gain?
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You may feel that way, but it doesn't matter. There is only something to lose, nothing to gain. People can use the scared, or 'maybe they would look bad' excuse, but it never matters. Ever. You throw and don't look good your stock falls, you don't throw, nothing happens. You might want to elevate yourself from a mid round prospect to a 1st round prospect, but nobody in contention for a top pick has any good reason to throw. None.


You may give more credit for a guy who throws, but that credit that you give them doesn't do them any good come draft time.
I think this is a sign as to where him and his agent project him to go compared to where they would like for him to go
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Could Andy trade for Nick Foles? This guy was perfect for Andy's check-down heavy system and very accurate. It's also questionable how Foles fits in Chip Kelly's offense.

Just throwing that out there. a Conditional 4 that turns into a 3 (or higher if they make the playoffs) could get it done
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only you and D-Unit ever act willfully ignorant enough to make me act this douchey.
No one makes you act douchey. That's a personal decision.

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side note I see alot of geno-fans saying "assuming Albert is re-signed" over and over. Why is this an assumption? He's gonna want 10 mil per year, coming off a year plagued with back spasms. Some team like the Bears might actually give it to him. Once March rolls around the chiefs could have a QB from FA/trade and lost their left tackle and all this is a moot point.
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Could Andy trade for Nick Foles? This guy was perfect for Andy's check-down heavy system and very accurate. It's also questionable how Foles fits in Chip Kelly's offense.

Just throwing that out there. a Conditional 4 that turns into a 3 (or higher if they make the playoffs) could get it done
no thanks I want to DRAFT a QB.Tired of trading for other team's QB's let's draft and develope our own
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side note I see alot of geno-fans saying "assuming Albert is re-signed" over and over. Why is this an assumption? He's gonna want 10 mil per year, coming off a year plagued with back spasms. Some team like the Bears might actually give it to him. Once March rolls around the chiefs could have a QB from FA/trade and lost their left tackle and all this is a moot point.
You keep saying this as if he's got chronic back problems that bothered him all year. That isn't the case. He missed a few games due to back spasms but just recently underwent a physical and passed with flying colors. His injury last year is not an issue today.
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