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Old 02-26-2013, 12:43 PM    (permalink
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Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida.

I know Sapp went nuts about not moving him to 5, but he can play 3 on third down and has the disposition to make an impact at 5 on first and second down. Florida used him everywhere.
If you are talking 3-4, this is utter insanity. Floyd would be hot do do in a 3-4. Sapp was an unmidigated disaster in the Raiders 3-4 and he is a lot stronger than Floyd. Floyd also has 31 inch arms.
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than you get the guy who will make the most impact on your team. In the chiefs case, that is a QB.
I probably wouldn't ever critisize a team for drafting a QB high if the need was there. It's a QB driven league. And if you don't have one then you best be trying to find one. Thus, if the Chiefs decide to pop on Geno, you won't hear me complain. I'm certainly not the biggest of Geno fans. And he "might" be considered a reach at 1/1. But, at least they'd be trying to fix the most glaring need on their roster and the most important position on the field.

Having said that, if they decide not to go that route, there are other options that can be had and I certainly wouldn't critisize them for going with Milliner either. If Sutton does indeed plan on running Rex Ryan's scheme, then he's going to definitely need another man corner that can hold his own on an island. The Chiefs only have 1: Flowers. Arenas is a LB in a corner's body and really isn't a man-to-man guy and is better playing up in the box and blitzing. Jalil Brown is young and show a few signs of promise. But he's not close to being what the Chiefs need out there 1 on 1 on the perimeter.

So, IMO, even if unprecedented, Milliner would make some sense at 1/1. Then maybe if you can screw Tyler Bray's head on straight, he can be had in round 2 or 3. Or maybe Glennon, etc. But all that is just one option. Again, you won't hear me complain if the Chiefs pull the trigger on Geno at 1/1 even if it is a perceived "reach" (which is debateable). But Milliner should also be in the coversation as well, IMO.
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dont overthink it. It's probably gonna be Joeckel. safe pick at a position of need (after Albert signs with Chicago for a bazillion dollars). Geno is a possibility due to need but he's not safe enough for 1 overall. (and an Alex Smith or Nick Foles trade lessens the urgency of that need)
Even if the Chiefs do go after Alex Smith (which I hope is not the case), they still BETTER draft a QB by round 2. Round 3 at the extreme very latest. And it better be someone that fully believe can eventually be the long-term starter.
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He seems more like Dorsey.

And if the Chiefs get Smith/Foles, QB goes to 3rd round at the earliest. Whether you like it or not. Probably not until the 4th or 5th round at the earliest...might not even draft one.
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He seems more like Dorsey.

And if the Chiefs get Smith/Foles, QB goes to 3rd round at the earliest. Whether you like it or not. Probably not until the 4th or 5th round at the earliest...might not even draft one.
The Chiefs aren't going to roll with Smith or Foles as the only options on the roster. That makes no sense. Cassel won't be back, Quinn won't be back.. so it'll be Foles/Smith and Stanzi?

Not gunna happen.
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He seems more like Dorsey.

And if the Chiefs get Smith/Foles, QB goes to 3rd round at the earliest. Whether you like it or not. Probably not until the 4th or 5th round at the earliest...might not even draft one.
If the Chiefs don't draft at least one QB in this draft that they think has the potential to be a starter then that might prove that when it comes to the QB position this organization just does not get it. And probably never will.
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It's not about drafting Geno SMith in a vacuum.

Knowing Smith's skillset and how Andy Reid in the past has maximized the talents of QBs with similar abilities, the fit seems kind of natural.

Geno Smith does enough well that Andy Reid values in his QBs.
For the system Andy Reid runs, Geno Smith is a franchise QB.
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John Dorsey has said he's using the "Ron Wolf plan," so you can pretty much bet money that Kansas City is going to draft a QB.
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Even if the Chiefs do go after Alex Smith (which I hope is not the case), they still BETTER draft a QB by round 2. Round 3 at the extreme very latest. And it better be someone that fully believe can eventually be the long-term starter.
I didn't say it eliminated the need, just the urgency. If Andy really likes Geno smith he can gamble that this player will be there around 25 or so and trade back into the round. Also note if Andy trades for Nick foles, he could be the long term starter. There's not enough evidence at this point to say he couldn't.
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Geno Smith will absolutely not be available at 25. No way does that happen. He's the first QB off the board in the top 10. Too many teams picking in the top 10 need a QB for him to fall all the way to 25.
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Not gunna happen.
I lol'd for a bit.

But, really, if they make the trade for Alex, they're giving up a 3rd or 4th round pick and pretty much know he's going to be the starting QB in 2013. Why would you make a bigger investment in another QB in the first or second round?

Sure, the Redskins drafted 2 QBs last year, but that team has also been one of the worst-run teams in the NFL for nearly 20 years.

Do I think they should draft a QB even if they bring in Smith (which means Cassel is gone)? Yeah. But I'm not sure they would. I could see them going into camp with Smith, Stanzi, and a couple free agents (veteran or UDFA)
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I lol'd for a bit.
That is a fair point, but it's hard not to use absolutes when you say dumb **** like that.
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Geno Smith will absolutely not be available at 25. No way does that happen. He's the first QB off the board in the top 10. Too many teams picking in the top 10 need a QB for him to fall all the way to 25.
If Andy passes on Geno at 1 it's a signal to the rest of the league. Who knows more about QB's than Andy? Yes it is possible AZ or BUF take the plunge but if they pass on him he will slide. This has happened in the past, that highly thought of QB's fall on draft day, like Rodgers and Quinn. to use a word like "absolutely" is overkill. Anything is possible with this year's draft. and like i said in the the post Andy would "gamble" that Geno is there in rd 2 *(or at least close enough to that pick that he could trade back into the round cheaply)* It's a gamble it's not definite.
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KC should draft whoever they think is the best QB in the first, and then another QB in the third or fourth. They should keep doing this every year until they find a franchise QB. QB is far more important than any other position in the NFL right now, and KC isn't winning anything until they have one of the top ten QBs in the NFL. They aren't going to win a championship trying to build an elite team around a mediocre QB like Alex Smith.
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Truth be told I would rather have Matt Flynn than Alex Smith.
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I've decided they'll take Ezekial Ansah. I noticed the trend of just throwing out any player in top ten discussion and hoping it sticks, under the rationale of "you just never know", so he's my submission.
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I've decided they'll take Ezekial Ansah. I noticed the trend of just throwing out any player in top ten discussion and hoping it sticks, under the rationale of "you just never know", so he's my submission.
He's only played football for 3 years and he didn't have big numbers in college.

I just don't thin you can draft a player like that first overall.

It's probably going to be Joeckel.
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The most annoying part of this thread is where people say what is and is not happening. You have no idea. None of us do. It's February and the combine isn't even over. No pro-days, no official visits yet. Calm it down.
Your 'a qb will break away from the pack and solidify himself as worthy of a #1 pick' theory is running out of time to come to fruition, sir. Hope you didn't pre-order a chiefs Geno smith jersey =)
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Your 'a qb will break away from the pack and solidify himself as worthy of a #1 pick' theory is running out of time to come to fruition, sir. Hope you didn't pre-order a chiefs Geno smith jersey =)
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I didn't say it eliminated the need, just the urgency. If Andy really likes Geno smith he can gamble that this player will be there around 25 or so and trade back into the round. Also note if Andy trades for Nick foles, he could be the long term starter. There's not enough evidence at this point to say he couldn't.
If Geno Smith doesn't get in some off-field mischief by draft day and he's available at pick 25, I will eat a pair of socks, youtube it, and post it here.

I guarantee it's not happening. Such a dumb thing to say.
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dont overthink it. It's probably gonna be Joeckel. safe pick at a position of need (after Albert signs with Chicago for a bazillion dollars). Geno is a possibility due to need but he's not safe enough for 1 overall. (and an Alex Smith or Nick Foles trade lessens the urgency of that need)


ughh stop shoving Joeckel down our throats.Albert will re-sign with KC then what are you gonna say?
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If Geno Smith doesn't get in some off-field mischief by draft day and he's available at pick 25, I will eat a pair of socks, youtube it, and post it here.

I guarantee it's not happening. Such a dumb thing to say.
It's possible. I understand that worse QB prospects (like Ponder, Locker, and Gabbert) have been taken in the top ten so Geno going first round makes more sense.

But all of those prospects had the intangibles.

Did all of the Geno supporters watch the segment with Mooch? It wasn't his best showing. Granted that might not be worth much but questions about his leadership are popping up. That can be as damning to a draft stock as anything. And he clearly has flaws to boot.

I don't think he'll make past the second wave of top-10 QB needy teams but I could absolutely see him lasting to the 2nd day.

You may have to eat socks...
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I don't see Geno making it out of the Top 10.

I think the Chiefs should take him, but understand if they don't.
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