The Kansas City Chiefs Select... - Page 79

prock · 03-05-2013, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

pro bowls mean absolutely nothing. just a total side argument that always grinds my gears. It's tops the list of most useless fact. QBR is slightly behind it

I'll just reference the eye test. And by that Kalil was a top 10 LT in the league as a rookie.

scottyboy · 03-05-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by prock

I'll just reference the eye test. And by that Kalil was a top 10 LT in the league as a rookie.

I agree that Kalil's awesome, no discrediting that. I just hate when people use pro bowls.

Chris Snee made it this year. He was terribad.

Safety Roy Williams made like 7. He was garbage for the last like 3 he made.

Monomach · 03-05-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bitonti

Because he's 8 years younger with a healthy back, for starters. Also there's no premier anything at the top, it's just a crap year. if the Chiefs could work a trade down that would be ideal. If not OT is the likely BAP. (Getting mad at me doesn't change the grades)

You've been arguing that Joeckel is premier for the entire time that you've been in this thread and now you're backing out because of one anonymous scout's pre-draft smokescreen. On the same page, you claimed that he could very well be the next Joe Thomas...only to turn around and say that he's no Joe Thomas. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're one of those posters who doesn't even watch college football; one of those guys who just reads what the "experts" say and parrots it pretending that their analysis is something you saw on your own.

You couldn't be any more ridiculous if you were wearing a clown nose.

T-RICH49 · 03-05-2013, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Monomach

You've been arguing that Joeckel is premier for the entire time that you've been in this thread and now you're backing out because of one anonymous scout's pre-draft smokescreen. On the same page, you claimed that he could very well be the next Joe Thomas...only to turn around and say that he's no Joe Thomas. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're one of those posters who doesn't even watch college football; one of those guys who just reads what the "experts" say and parrots it pretending that their analysis is something you saw on your own.

You couldn't be any more ridiculous if you were wearing a clown nose.

You Rule!!!!

KaneMarko · 03-05-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bitonti

Because he's 8 years younger with a healthy back, for starters. Also there's no premier anything at the top, it's just a crap year. if the Chiefs could work a trade down that would be ideal. If not OT is the likely BAP. (Getting mad at me doesn't change the grades)

For me, BPA only applies when you have a team with no holes. When you have holes, you have to fill them. One way or another. A better draft method, least IMO, is to draft the BPA at a position of need that provides reasonable value to the pick. IMO, drafting 100% on BPA and 100% on need have the potential to be equally damanging. There has to be some balance between value and need. That balance varies from team to team. But to rule one or the other completely out of the draft equation can be harmful, IMO.

And when you have a year, like you say, with no elite talent and sit in the situation the Chiefs sit in, conventional draft rules may have to be bent. Maybe even significantly to best move the team forward.

vidae · 03-05-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bitonti

Because he's 8 years younger with a healthy back, for starters. Also there's no premier anything at the top, it's just a crap year. if the Chiefs could work a trade down that would be ideal. If not OT is the likely BAP. (Getting mad at me doesn't change the grades)

Branden Albert also has a healthy back.

KaneMarko · 03-05-2013, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bitonti

Because he's 8 years younger with a healthy back, for starters.

Also, can't a similar sentence be applied to Alex Smith and why the Chiefs should NOT be done at the QB position?

FUNBUNCHER · 03-05-2013, 12:19 PM

I'm leaning towards Cudders point of view and could see Dion Jordan being an out of the box pick first overall.

Give the defense teeth or find more playmakers for Alex.

Brothgar · 03-05-2013, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

Branden Albert also has a healthy back.

Is there any word on the likelihood of Albert singing long term?

Wootylicous · 03-05-2013, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KaneMarko

Also, can't a similar sentence be applied to Alex Smith and why the Chiefs should NOT be done at the QB position?

prock · 03-05-2013, 12:27 PM

I could see a team like Chicago paying out the nose for Brandon Albert. If that's the case, the pick is Joeckel. If not, I have no idea.

vidae · 03-05-2013, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brothgar

Is there any word on the likelihood of Albert singing long term?

The only thing that was said so far was that they weren't close to a deal, but Albert has stated on many occasions that he wants to stay in KC, so I think it's more likely than not.

Monomach · 03-05-2013, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by prock

I could see a team like Chicago paying out the nose for Brandon Albert. If that's the case, the pick is Joeckel. If not, I have no idea.

Not happening. No cap to sign him. Half of the defensive starters are on the last year of their contracts and there isn't even enough cap to re-sign them. Julius Peppers and Matt Forte are looking like 2014 cap casualties. Chicago's not going to get any "name" veterans this offseason.

bitonti · 03-05-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KaneMarko

Also, can't a similar sentence be applied to Alex Smith and why the Chiefs should NOT be done at the QB position?

the Chiefs aren't done at the Qb position. the diff is that there are 2 OT worthy of the 1 pick and there are 0 QB's worthy of the 1 pick. Trade down would be optimal.

by the way all you gif happy monkeys didn't respond to the fact that Andy Reid has recinded the tag 2x in his career so far. Albert could be number 3.

bitonti · 03-05-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Monomach

You've been arguing that Joeckel is premier for the entire time that you've been in this thread and now you're backing out because of one anonymous scout's pre-draft smokescreen. On the same page, you claimed that he could very well be the next Joe Thomas...only to turn around and say that he's no Joe Thomas. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're one of those posters who doesn't even watch college football; one of those guys who just reads what the "experts" say and parrots it pretending that their analysis is something you saw on your own.

You couldn't be any more ridiculous if you were wearing a clown nose.

LonghornsLegend · 03-05-2013, 12:50 PM

I wish people would stop saying there are no QB's worth the top pick. So he's worth the 3-10 pick, but not #1 overall? That makes no sense to me, and there is no such thing. If Geno goes #6 to Cleveland and ends up a high end QB, he was more then worth the #1 pick even if it's from another team picking him. You guys make it seem like Geno is a 2nd round prospect, he's not.

Everything isn't a computer analyzed draft board where if you have a QB ranked as the 9th best player, somehow you can't take him #1 overall if you need a QB. All these rankings and projections mean nothing once the draft is over.

Joe Flacco went 18th in 2008, who would have been at the time a reach in the top 5 picks, but sure, Glenn Dorsey was rated higher at the time so he was obviously a much better pick right?

Wootylicous · 03-05-2013, 12:51 PM

Geno Smith isn't worth 3000 points.

We all know that.

findthedr · 03-05-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Joe Flacco went 18th in 2008, who would have been at the time a reach in the top 5 picks, but sure, Glenn Dorsey was rated higher at the time so he was obviously a much better pick right?

chiefs took BPA that yr and passed on Flacco TWICE in favor of Glen Dorsey and Albert.

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Originally Posted by Wootylicous

Geno Smith isn't worth 3000 points.

We all know that.

you could say that about every prospect in this draft.

Wootylicous · 03-05-2013, 01:12 PM

I was being sarcastic.

Black Bolt · 03-05-2013, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

I wish people would stop saying there are no QB's worth the top pick. So he's worth the 3-10 pick, but not #1 overall? That makes no sense to me, and there is no such thing. If Geno goes #6 to Cleveland and ends up a high end QB, he was more then worth the #1 pick even if it's from another team picking him. You guys make it seem like Geno is a 2nd round prospect, he's not.

Everything isn't a computer analyzed draft board where if you have a QB ranked as the 9th best player, somehow you can't take him #1 overall if you need a QB. All these rankings and projections mean nothing once the draft is over.

Joe Flacco went 18th in 2008, who would have been at the time a reach in the top 5 picks, but sure, Glenn Dorsey was rated higher at the time so he was obviously a much better pick right?

Whether he is or isn't became irrelevant once the Chiefs picked up Smith.

Black Bolt · 03-05-2013, 01:35 PM

Is it me, or did Brandon Albert make it to 30 really fast?

Wootylicous · 03-05-2013, 01:36 PM

He's 28 years old not 30.

Monomach · 03-05-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bolt

Is it me, or did Brandon Albert make it to 30 really fast?

I guess two years from now WILL be pretty fast...

Brothgar · 03-05-2013, 01:38 PM

So it seems like there are 3 questions that need to be answered.

1. Can the Chiefs sign Albert long term before the draft.

2. What's the deal with Star's health

3. Are the chiefs REALLY done with their QB situation.

If he signs long term then the OTs are not an option. Although they may wait til after the draft to make it official (for trade down purposes). If Star's heart is cool he is the only player with value and fit at the position but with that said they didn't cut Jackson or Dorsey so I don't think they are 100% sure on Star being that guy. So finally what about Geno Smith or whoever you like at the QB position. Right now Alex Smith only has a cap number of 8.5 Mil so him and Geno together isn't even a top 10 QB money. Plus a big selling point could be how he mentored Colin Kaepernick we could see Geno sit a year and take over in year 2 then Alex becomes a free agent.

bitonti · 03-05-2013, 02:00 PM

interesting article says it might be milliner.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...son-and-beyond