The Nutrition Thread

[njx9]

and avoid the processed ones. eating a bunch of broccoli to get your carbs isn't the same as licking up some corn syrup.

[MetSox17]

mmmm high fructose corn syrup

[Razor]

Originally Posted by Forenci

Agreed. I hate people who try to make carbs out to be the devil. If you want to gain the MANY benefits from various fruits/veggies you're going to have consume some carbs.

Just don't go nuts with them.

You have to take the human body into consideration here. Unless you're a complete ******* moron you know that humans have evolved from monkeys over time. That means that we were originally foragers who later on learned to hunt. It was in the hunter/gatherer stage of development where our bodies evolved pretty much to what they are today. So the perfect diet is something close to what our ancestors would eat. Lots of meat, berries and fruits when they're available and dairy products. They weren't available to our ancestors, but since we are generally lactose tolerant dairy products are good for you too.

Carbs are really bad in every respect. There are very few if any species on this planet that would eat barley or wheat or some other variety naturally. These carbs go straight into the bloodstream and create sugar, which has all sorts of adverse effects on the body and mind. Whatever carbs you need you would get from the fructose in fruit and vegetables.

I'm not trying to come off as a massive douche bag or seem like some kind or born again stoneage man. Heck, I don't even follow the stoneage diet. But I try to incorporate as much as possible of it into my diet since we now know that what we're eating today is killing us and the nature around us. I don't see any advantage in eating carbs other than the fact that they take away your hunger. They have some positive effects in their most natural state, but as soon as you cook them they are the devil as you put it.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by Razor

You have to take the human body into consideration here. Unless you're a complete ******* moron you know that humans have evolved from monkeys over time. That means that we were originally foragers who later on learned to hunt. It was in the hunter/gatherer stage of development where our bodies evolved pretty much to what they are today. So the perfect diet is something close to what our ancestors would eat. Lots of meat, berries and fruits when they're available and dairy products. They weren't available to our ancestors, but since we are generally lactose tolerant dairy products are good for you too.

Carbs are really bad in every respect. There are very few if any species on this planet that would eat barley or wheat or some other variety naturally. These carbs go straight into the bloodstream and create sugar, which has all sorts of adverse effects on the body and mind. Whatever carbs you need you would get from the fructose in fruit and vegetables.

I'm not trying to come off as a massive douche bag or seem like some kind or born again stoneage man. Heck, I don't even follow the stoneage diet. But I try to incorporate as much as possible of it into my diet since we now know that what we're eating today is killing us and the nature around us. I don't see any advantage in eating carbs other than the fact that they take away your hunger. They have some positive effects in their most natural state, but as soon as you cook them they are the devil as you put it.

see, you're doing it. you're collecting up all sorts of different carbohydrates, and lumping them all into what amounts to 'processed sugar', which is just incorrect. do you want to eat a lot of highly processed, bleached flour? no. is ruling out 'carbs' (as if that has anything close to the meaning you're attempting to ascribe to it) necessarily an effective diet strategy? absolutely not.

be smart about the starches and grains you eat, and you'll be fine. like bread? two slices of real wheat bread isn't going to make you fat, or have a substantial adverse effect on your health. bleh. i've watched half the people i know try the atkins crap. they lost a **** ton of weight because they quit drinking soda and eating a bag of doritos every day. not because they avoided eye contact with loaves of bread.

[Razor]

Of course you can eat bread without getting fat if you're smart about it, but it requires a lot. Humans are genetically programmed to go after sweet foods, fat foods and salt. So when you eat bread and your body turns it into sugar, which then goes to your brain, your brain wants more bread. It's really simple chemistry. However, bread and rice have become the primary sources of energy for the last few thousand years and you're considered as an extremist if you don't want to eat it. Stoneage food isn't a diet as much as it's a way of life. It's how we're supposed to eat. You can't really argue that eating anything other than what we're supposed to eat is a smart choice?

[scottyboy]

I like wheat bread.

/contribution

[njx9]

Originally Posted by Razor

Of course you can eat bread without getting fat if you're smart about it, but it requires a lot. Humans are genetically programmed to go after sweet foods, fat foods and salt. So when you eat bread and your body turns it into sugar, which then goes to your brain, your brain wants more bread. It's really simple chemistry. However, bread and rice have become the primary sources of energy for the last few thousand years and you're considered as an extremist if you don't want to eat it. Stoneage food isn't a diet as much as it's a way of life. It's how we're supposed to eat. You can't really argue that eating anything other than what we're supposed to eat is a smart choice?

it's a specious argument. it's like suggesting you should only eat what you personally hunt and gather. you'd be substantially healthier. but that's because you'd be eating less and exercising more. neither of those things require giving up things like wheat.

[Razor]

You would be substantially healthier, but not only because you get more exercise. Removing carbs from your diet would also help a lot. Either way, I don't think it's a specious argument. It is possible and quite easy to eat what we used to eat. We don't even have to go forage our selves.

[Rob S]

I'm not going to post in here much, so that's why you haven't heard from me. I'm not anti carb though. I'm just anti high carb meals anytime other than post workout. When I say protein/fat meals should make up the majority of what you eat, it's just that, a majority. I eat plenty of greens and veggies throughout the day. A salad with olive oil and chicken is still a protein/fat meal.

As for fruits and grains of any kind, they are only beneficial post workout although berries and other low sugar fruits are fine at pretty much any time.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by Razor

You would be substantially healthier, but not only because you get more exercise. Removing carbs from your diet would also help a lot. Either way, I don't think it's a specious argument. It is possible and quite easy to eat what we used to eat. We don't even have to go forage our selves.

again, "removing carbs" is meaningless. so you're removing all vegetables? fruit is bad? no? then let's stop with the inane 'no carbs evar' crap. because it's just not remotely true.

[Raiderz4Life]

Tortillas and bread ftmfw!! Idgaf what great^1000 grandpa R4L ate or did to get his food. I'm never giving up my PBnJ sandwhiches or tacos, pupusas, tamales, and burritos.

Hispanics:

[josh07039]

MY diet is basically to just be reasonable but also flexible. I still snack and eat unhealthy stuff, but everything in moderation. I try to snack on hummus and healthish multigran chips. I am crazily skinny at 6'2 175 after losing 40 pounds last year with more exercise, cutting out sugary beverages, and just using moderation overall.

Id love some tips on types of food that are good for energy before intense phisical activity and for recovery afterwards though because i think i do a pretty terrible job on my own. The only thing i do for recovery is drinking some chocolate milk and before i just try to eat some of this and that.

Oh yeah and I eat bread and rice like a ******* maniac.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Originally Posted by Rob S

I'm not going to post in here much, so that's why you haven't heard from me.

Srs. I would like to avoid having my head explode. Everyone just don't listen to Forenci and you should be fine.

[Halsey]

I've been eating the hell out of coconut in recent months. Coconut oil for cooking, coconut milk for coffee creamer and desserts, coconut water as a sports drink. Lots of saturated fat in coconut, but it's not stopping me from losing weight.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by Rob S

I'm not going to post in here much, so that's why you haven't heard from me. I'm not anti carb though. I'm just anti high carb meals anytime other than post workout. When I say protein/fat meals should make up the majority of what you eat, it's just that, a majority. I eat plenty of greens and veggies throughout the day. A salad with olive oil and chicken is still a protein/fat meal.

Why won't you post much here? We're just some bros talkin' about food.

As for fruits and grains of any kind, they are only beneficial post workout although berries and other low sugar fruits are fine at pretty much any time.

I'll disagree to a certain extent. I'd wager the health benefits that many fruits/berries/etc. offer would outweigh some of the negative effects that their sugar might cause.

I mean, sure, if you're insane and drink a massive glass of juice (particularly with added sugar) it's not going to do you any favors, but the health benefits of many fruits is far worth it.

Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

Srs. I would like to avoid having my head explode. Everyone just don't listen to Forenci and you should be fine.

Thanks for being a general prick as usual. If you don't want to contribute, why post in the thread? Are you a nutrition major or something? I'd love to know where you get all your expert information from.

[descendency]

Originally Posted by MetSox17

One every day bruh.

Don't joke about stuff like that...

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ilestone_n.htm

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Originally Posted by Forenci

Thanks for being a general prick as usual. If you don't want to contribute, why post in the thread? Are you a nutrition major or something? I'd love to know where you get all your expert information from.

You said you were surprised I hadn't contributed. I decided to shed a little bit of light on the situation. In addition, I decided to provide a general warning for others.

And I get all of my "expert information" from well, experts, documented studies, and a sprinkle of personal experience. We can't all be broscientists Forenci.

[nobodyinparticular]

Originally Posted by MetSox17

One every day bruh.

:-( I haven't gotten one of these in years... I hate the lack of In-N-Out restaurants in the Northwest.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

You said you were surprised I hadn't contributed. I decided to shed a little bit of light on the situation. In addition, I decided to provide a general warning for others.

And I get all of my "expert information" from well, experts, documented studies, and a sprinkle of personal experience. We can't all be broscientists Forenci.

I mean, you didn't shed light on much. Just that this thread would make your head explode. I'm not sure if that's because you think we're all wrong or your knowledge is above us, but it didn't shed much light on anything. Nor was I beckoning you to post, just mentioning that a vaunted expert like yourself hadn't put their opinion into the fray.

I wasn't claiming such you needed to major in chemistry, nutrition, or any other form of science to have knowledge on the topic. I figured you were getting it from studies or experts. I come from the view that most "well documented studies" are not done on a wide enough scale to really discern anything. It's not a complaint about nutrition studies specifically, but just of many studies today.

You're welcome to offer your opinion. I assumed people such as yourself would enjoy a thread like this. I might disagree with some of your opinions, but I certainly wouldn't lament them or call them wrong.

[Caddy]

You sound mad bro

[njx9]

don't let atl mad u.

[Rob S]

Originally Posted by Forenci

I'll disagree to a certain extent. I'd wager the health benefits that many fruits/berries/etc. offer would outweigh some of the negative effects that their sugar might cause.

I mean, sure, if you're insane and drink a massive glass of juice (particularly with added sugar) it's not going to do you any favors, but the health benefits of many fruits is far worth it.

I said berries are fine throughout the day and that other fruits are totally fine, actually encouraged, post workout. Fruit/sugar/grains are just not the ideal choice for most people unless it's pwo and that's just the truth. If you want the "benefits" of fruits during non pwo meals, I can easily duplicate that with some benefiber, a multi and a greens shake without all the added sugar.

Maybe you are one of the few people that react fine to carbs, but for most people, what I'm suggesting is the best way to go about structuring an eating plan.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by njx9

again, "removing carbs" is meaningless. so you're removing all vegetables? fruit is bad? no? then let's stop with the inane 'no carbs evar' crap. because it's just not remotely true.

I think something might have got lost in translation on my part. You can't have too many vegetables. I'm anti starch and sugar, that's what I mean when I say carbs. It's the easy carbs that has adverse effects on a body.

[brat316]

Razor, I just want to comment on your whole stoneage thing...and evolving. If we still lived liked our stoneage counter parts, we wouldn't live past 40, and wouldn't be taller than 5'. The course of time we have gotten bigger 'evolved' because of our change in diet. Now we are on a downward trend cause people eat so much fast food, but at one point and time we were doing pretty good.

Same time fast food explodes, so does people pumping hormones and roids into their animals, vegs, and fruits.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by Rob S

I said berries are fine throughout the day and that other fruits are totally fine, actually encouraged, post workout. Fruit/sugar/grains are just not the ideal choice for most people unless it's pwo and that's just the truth. If you want the "benefits" of fruits during non pwo meals, I can easily duplicate that with some benefiber, a multi and a greens shake without all the added sugar.

Maybe you are one of the few people that react fine to carbs, but for most people, what I'm suggesting is the best way to go about structuring an eating plan.

See, and I don't have a problem with that. Despite what ATL thinks, I like to see opinions like yours. It gives me things to think about and implement into my own diet. I may disagree with some of it, but it doesn't mean it's not valid.

And damn it, going without sugar is tough. It's gotten better since the first month though.