Who is the current OROTY?

[jsagan77]

Originally Posted by WCH

Wait...are you actually watching games and basing your opinion on what you see?

He's watching one teams games, or at least a few plays and cherry picking which one to show. Notice how he didn't pick the play that he stared down Wayne for the millionth time and the DB jumped the route for the pick 6... You know how many pick 6's RG3 has had this year? You know why RG3 doesn't have a "go to guy" like Luck does Wayne? Because he throws to the open receiver no matter whether they are his first read or his 5th read. We didn't have a top level receiver for most of the season so RG3 had to spread the ball around much more than Luck did. It's no contest.. RG3 right now is better than luck in every facet of the game. The Colts as a team however are better at drawing an easier schedule and beating teams they should.

[jsagan77]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

RGIII and Luck say, " Chill the **** out!!"

That said,

Dude, stats don't matter, watch the games.. Just don't bring up terrible throws, only the good ones.. And please for the love of god don't bring up TD:INT ratio.. It's not Lucks fault he has to pass 40 times a game... Oh wait... 25 Turnovers doesn't matter as long as you destroy crappy secondaries on your way to a "4th quarter comeback"... One that your team may not have needed if you didn't give the other team points..

Could you imagine if RG3 had a middle of the pack defense? He'd be 9-3 probably..

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

He's watching one teams games, or at least a few plays and cherry picking which one to show. Notice how he didn't pick the play that he stared down Wayne for the millionth time and the DB jumped the route for the pick 6... You know how many pick 6's RG3 has had this year? You know why RG3 doesn't have a "go to guy" like Luck does Wayne? Because he throws to the open receiver no matter whether they are his first read or his 5th read. We didn't have a top level receiver for most of the season so RG3 had to spread the ball around much more than Luck did. It's no contest.. RG3 right now is better than luck in every facet of the game. The Colts as a team however are better at drawing an easier schedule and beating teams they should.

Eh, I've watched quite a few of the Redskins games as well, and the reason why I picked that throw was because of all the throws I have seen Griffin make none have been as impressive as that. If you want to find one then show it in this thread. I haven't watched every single throw Griffin has made, however I have watched the Saints game, the Bucs game, the Cowboys game and the second Giants game.

And you want to bring up bad throws? RG3 has had plenty of them, but somehow, his absolutely ****** WRs have bailed him out. How about the long TD against the Saints. He threw, guess what? A one read slant, which he threw way too high only for a great catch and run by Garcon (I believe). Likewise, against the Cowboys he hit Garcon again, only this time the ball was WAY behind him, only for that ****** WR to make another great catch and run for a TD.

Oh, and by the way, I also do believe that Garcon was statistically the Colts best WR last year, even with Wayne still playing - STATZZZZZZ

And don't take this as me for some reason hating RG3. I don't have a horse in this race, and as a Pats fan surely I would be more inclined to criticise Luck???

[FUNBUNCHER]

Garcon has only played I think 3 games this season, so his impact on Robert's passing is overstated. Yes IMO Garcon can be a #1 in Shanahan's offense and he's made some great catches in limited playing tome because of injuries, but he's not the reason why RGIII's stats are so impressive.

As for that Saints throw, I give any QB credit for completing a pass just as he's about to get blown up by a rushing Dlineman, which is exactly what happened to Grif on that play.

Below is a play from the SKins preseason game against the Bills, and it's virtually the exact same throw completed by Luck that was discussed earlier.
Granted it's preseason, but it's a demonstration of the repertoire of throws most Skins fans have seen RGIII complete since he was drafted.
So when someone says they've 'never' seen RGIII throw this or that pass in a game with the same level of difficulty that Luck has, IMO it's because they haven't watched virtually all his on field snaps the way many SKins fans have.

The throw is at the 1:21 mark.



Yeah we SKins fans like to hype the guy, but it's not just blind homerism.
Robert is the real deal.

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Garcon has only played I think 3 games this season, so his impact on Robert's passing is overstated. Yes IMO Garcon can be a #1 in Shanahan's offense and he's made some great catches in limited playing tome because of injuries, but he's not the reason why RGIII's stats are so impressive.

As for that Saints throw, I give any QB credit for completing a pass just as he's about to get blown up by a rushing Dlineman, which is exactly what happened to Grif on that play.

Below is a play from the SKins preseason game against the Bills, and it's virtually the exact same throw completed by Luck that was discussed earlier.
Granted it's preseason, but it's a demonstration of the repertoire of throws most Skins fans have seen RGIII complete since he was drafted.
So when someone says they've 'never' seen RGIII throw this or that pass in a game with the same level of difficulty that Luck has, IMO it's because they haven't watched virtually all his on field snaps the way many SKins fans have.

The throw is at the 1:21 mark.



Yeah we SKins fans like to hype the guy, but it's not just blind homerism.
Robert is the real deal.

I'm in work at the minute so I'll have to get a look at that later. Look, I have no issue with Redskins fans being excited about RG3, and I have no issue with guys stating a case for him being OROTY. If I was a Redskins fans I would be ridiculously excited about the potential and stability RG3 brings.

I haven't seen him make the type of throw Luck made and makes on a pretty regular basis, however that's not me stating he hasn't made them. However I see Luck make high level NFL throws in every game, whereas Griffin does it at a far lower level.

My whole argument in this thread is that Luck is asked to do more on a consistent basis, whereas to a certain extent the Redskins offense still has it's training wheels on. Bringing up specific throws and examples is a far better argument than some people (or one) spouting off about stats because they aren't created equal.

[G Mobile]

The way I look at it is like 2 gymnasts who have close to equal scores; where one is executing at a higher level but is at a lower start value, and the other isn't executing at the same level but he is attempting a more difficult routine.

[jsagan77]

Bull. He even said he threw that ball behind Garcon because that's the only place he could Put it and he trusted his guy to make a play. The Moss Throw was the only one i can recall that was ill advised.

I guarantee u Lucks recievers have bailed him out a crap load more than RG3's have. And the drops the skins make are rediculous. The ratio of passes thrown compared to the number of drops is so far skewed to RG3's favor that it's not even funny. they literally lost games for us with all their drops. I'm fully convinced that half the people on this board are brainwashed. Rg3 is better than him and Everything you are bringing up you could find 10x more mistakes Luck makes.

Originally Posted by AntoinCD

Eh, I've watched quite a few of the Redskins games as well, and the reason why I picked that throw was because of all the throws I have seen Griffin make none have been as impressive as that. If you want to find one then show it in this thread. I haven't watched every single throw Griffin has made, however I have watched the Saints game, the Bucs game, the Cowboys game and the second Giants game.

And you want to bring up bad throws? RG3 has had plenty of them, but somehow, his absolutely ****** WRs have bailed him out. How about the long TD against the Saints. He threw, guess what? A one read slant, which he threw way too high only for a great catch and run by Garcon (I believe). Likewise, against the Cowboys he hit Garcon again, only this time the ball was WAY behind him, only for that ****** WR to make another great catch and run for a TD.

Oh, and by the way, I also do believe that Garcon was statistically the Colts best WR last year, even with Wayne still playing - STATZZZZZZ

And don't take this as me for some reason hating RG3. I don't have a horse in this race, and as a Pats fan surely I would be more inclined to criticise Luck???

[FUNBUNCHER]

I love RGIII too, but for the most part their rookie seasons are practically over.
Both players players need to make substantial improvements to become upper tier NFL QBs going forward.

Winning the OROTY is cool for fans, but a lot of bums have won that award.
Not saying this guy is a bum, but you don't ever hear someone make an argument in Sam Bradford's favor that at least he was rookie of the year, because AFTER a player's rookie season is over it doesn't really matter anymore.

Until fans can say Luck/RGIII is better than Brady, better than Manning, better than Rodgers, better than Brees, or wins their division and a Lombardi, neither player has arrived yet.

But I still wouldn't trade Robert for any QB in the league. Except maybe Rodgers. If the price was reasonable.

[Caulibflower]

Originally Posted by G Mobile

The way I look at it is like 2 gymnasts who have close to equal scores; where one is executing at a higher level but is at a lower start value, and the other isn't executing at the same level but he is attempting a more difficult routine.

This is a perfect analogy. It's really no more complicated than this. Pick the guy you like.

[jsagan77]

I think Luck is still riding his 'best prospect ever' status. If Wilson had lucks numbers he'd be called wildly inconsistent, needs to improve drastically in the turnover department, good season for a 3rd round pick, etc.

If the stats were reversed and situations, Luck would still be the popular choice. Everyone thinks that luck is superior to RG3 and think he's more developed as a QB but he's not Imho. RG3 is everything Luck is and superior in a lot of ways. And I don't see one area Luck is better.

[FUNBUNCHER]

If Luck has nearly an identical season next year, there will be loud voices calling into question his slow development as an NFL QB.

But yeah, the guy who's been called the greatest QB prospect ever is going to get the benefit of the doubt from fans even when they don't know they're doing it.

[jsagan77]

Bull. He even said he threw that ball behind Garcon because that's the only place he could Put it and he trusted his guy to make a play. The Moss Throw was the only one i can recall that was ill advised.

I guarantee u Lucks recievers have bailed him out a crap load more than RG3's have. And the drops the skins make are rediculous. The ratio of passes thrown compared to the number of drops is so far skewed to RG3's favor that it's not even funny. they literally lost games for us with all their drops. I'm fully convinced that half the people on this board are brainwashed. Rg3 is better than him and Everything you are bringing up you could find 10x more mistakes Luck makes.

Originally Posted by AntoinCD

Eh, I've watched quite a few of the Redskins games as well, and the reason why I picked that throw was because of all the throws I have seen Griffin make none have been as impressive as that. If you want to find one then show it in this thread. I haven't watched every single throw Griffin has made, however I have watched the Saints game, the Bucs game, the Cowboys game and the second Giants game.

And you want to bring up bad throws? RG3 has had plenty of them, but somehow, his absolutely ****** WRs have bailed him out. How about the long TD against the Saints. He threw, guess what? A one read slant, which he threw way too high only for a great catch and run by Garcon (I believe). Likewise, against the Cowboys he hit Garcon again, only this time the ball was WAY behind him, only for that ****** WR to make another great catch and run for a TD.

Oh, and by the way, I also do believe that Garcon was statistically the Colts best WR last year, even with Wayne still playing - STATZZZZZZ

And don't take this as me for some reason hating RG3. I don't have a horse in this race, and as a Pats fan surely I would be more inclined to criticise Luck???

[Ness]

Russell Wilson has been on par with Andrew Luck this season :D

[SolidGold]

Originally Posted by Ness

Russell Wilson has been on par with Andrew Luck this season :D

Except he hasn't.

Luck is the Colts - they still don't have a defense and have no stable running game. Seattle is based around a strong running game and very good defense. If you put Wilson in a Colts uniform they aren't 8-4. The team around Russell Wilson is much better than the team around Andrew Luck.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by SolidGold

Except he hasn't.

Believe what you want.

If Jackson is still the Seahawks quarterback they aren't 7-5. Wilson may have a better team around him, but that doesn't mean he hasn't played as well as a rookie because he's been asked to do less. He's making plays when they need to be made and that's important. Jackson couldn't do that for them last year. The Colts also play in the AFC and the AFC South.

[XxXdragonXxX]

Originally Posted by Ness

Believe what you want.

If Jackson is still the Seahawks quarterback they aren't 7-5. Wilson may have a better team around him, but that doesn't mean he hasn't played as well as a rookie because he's been asked to do less. He's making plays when they need to be made and that's important. Jackson couldn't do that for them last year. The Colts also play in the AFC and the AFC South.

I think its kinda funny when evoryone gives Luck a pass for his easy schedule because "a win is a win." And then in the same breath give him complete credit for turning around an bad team. It s.o.s. makes no difference, then neither should the strength of last years team.

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

Bull. He even said he threw that ball behind Garcon because that's the only place he could Put it and he trusted his guy to make a play. The Moss Throw was the only one i can recall that was ill advised.

I guarantee u Lucks recievers have bailed him out a crap load more than RG3's have. And the drops the skins make are rediculous. The ratio of passes thrown compared to the number of drops is so far skewed to RG3's favor that it's not even funny. they literally lost games for us with all their drops. I'm fully convinced that half the people on this board are brainwashed. Rg3 is better than him and Everything you are bringing up you could find 10x more mistakes Luck makes.

Well that's just a bunch of crap right there. If the ball hits Garcon in stride then he still scores. As it is, the ball was nearly picked by #54 and if Garcon doesn't make a great catch it lands in Brandon Carrs hands.

[Smooth Criminal]

One simple thing to look at. One of these guys is leading the league in interceptions.

[Caulibflower]

Originally Posted by Smooth Criminal

One simple thing to look at. One of these guys is leading the league in interceptions.

How about half of RGIII's passing TDs coming in the last three games?

[njx9]

**** it, i don't even care. rg3 beating the ravens for us makes him my automatic choice for MVP right now. though it'll be a tough call if the texans knock out the patriots.

[J-Mike88]

Luck today, fortunate to be playing against Jake Locker.

Today, Luck: 16/34 196 yards, 5.8 yards per throw, 1 TD 2 Int, 50.6 passer rating.
Those aren't OROY numbers, sorry.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Luck today, fortunate to be playing against Jake Locker.

Today, Luck: 16/34 196 yards, 5.8 yards per throw, 1 TD 2 Int, 50.6 passer rating.
Those aren't OROY numbers, sorry.

The first INT should have been a sack. The refs completely blew that one, and the second INT was a hail mary at the end of the first half. So those two INTs are very misleading.

He also had a WR drop an extremely easy TD catch.

[xjxdarren]

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Luck today, fortunate to be playing against Jake Locker.

Today, Luck: 16/34 196 yards, 5.8 yards per throw, 1 TD 2 Int, 50.6 passer rating.
Those aren't OROY numbers, sorry.

Today, if you didn't watch the colts game, you shouldn't write a post about Luck, sorry.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

RG3's heart and intangibles are unmatched, he came back without even being able to run and hit a big completion to get down the 20.

[J-Mike88]

Always excuses someone, from the Luck camp.... I guess he's the only one who has about a 1-1 TD-Int ratio who can blame all of em on the refs & receivers.