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View Poll Results: Who gets your vote for Rookie of the Year right now?
Robert Griffin 55 37.93%
Andrew Luck 56 38.62%
Russell Wilson 34 23.45%
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:03 AM    (permalink
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individual stats are nice, but what about overall team stats. That's where the strongest arguments for Luck are. His team is 11-5 despite a running game and defense that rank in the bottom third of the league. The only area I see the Colts ranking highly is passing offense. Also, Luck is the Colts rushing TD leader and scored almost half their rushing TDs. Honestly, Luck might be as valuable to his team as any player in the league. That's an area where he has a bit of an advantage over the other contenders.
We've already debunked Indy's run game fallacy. It can be chalked up to two things: bad coaching, and having to abandon the run due to falling behind (which guessing by his 4th quarter comebacks is much more the reason).

As far as defenses, until rescently, RG3 had a worse D.

Then there is the passing offense. Sure Luck is on a different level than the other two but only because he's thrown so many passes (which begs the question, why is his TD number not in sync with his passing attempts.

You also have to take their schedules into account. Luck's by far had the easiest schedule of the big 3 and rarely ever dominated an entire game (notice I said rarely).

And finally RG3 was the only rookie to win his division. A division with the two very good (but inconsistent) teams including the SB champs who can take it to any team and the Boys who were one game away from hosting a playoff game. If RG3 had Lucks schedule he'd probably have a better record. After watching a vast amount of football featuring these three QB's it's not hard to mention Luck but RG3 has been much better and Wilson could be the best of the 3.
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And finally RG3 was the only rookie to win his division. A division with the two very good (but inconsistent) teams including the SB champs who can take it to any team and the Boys who were one game away from hosting a playoff game. If RG3 had Lucks schedule he'd probably have a better record
There are some very compelling arguments for RG3, but this is a weak one. Houston and the niners are way better than the NFCE, and Luck and Wilson had 11 wins to RG3's 8 (2 for Cousins). No way they get downgraded because they didnt win their divisions with 3 more wins each.
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I hate how people use the term 'debunk' when they just state an opinion on a matter. Saying that it is bad coaching doesn't debunk anything.
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We've already debunked Indy's run game fallacy. It can be chalked up to two things: bad coaching, and having to abandon the run due to falling behind (which guessing by his 4th quarter comebacks is much more the reason).

As far as defenses, until rescently, RG3 had a worse D.

Then there is the passing offense. Sure Luck is on a different level than the other two but only because he's thrown so many passes (which begs the question, why is his TD number not in sync with his passing attempts.

You also have to take their schedules into account. Luck's by far had the easiest schedule of the big 3 and rarely ever dominated an entire game (notice I said rarely).

And finally RG3 was the only rookie to win his division. A division with the two very good (but inconsistent) teams including the SB champs who can take it to any team and the Boys who were one game away from hosting a playoff game. If RG3 had Lucks schedule he'd probably have a better record. After watching a vast amount of football featuring these three QB's it's not hard to mention Luck but RG3 has been much better and Wilson could be the best of the 3.
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Well Luck has had 3 easy pics dropped that won't be counted and a lost fumble. Clearly he's awesome.
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"chalking it up" to bad coaching doesn't make it go away, and doesn't mean it didn't have a high impact on a player's success. it's basically saying, "look the other way while i sweep this under the rug." shocking that your 'guess' is the worst possible case for luck. couldn't be that they had to make those comebacks because they abandoned the run early.



through all of like, 4 weeks. we've been over this. indy's D was garbage all season. yours was putrid to start the year, then got significantly better.



it doesn't beg that question at all.



already mentioned, but winning the nfc east is a joke and has no bearing whatsoever. especially when luck and wilson had some actual competition in their division. it's not impressive that rg3 took the division against yet another lame cowboys team, an imploding giants team, and one of the worst teams i've ever seen attempt to play nfl-level football. your "toughest division" silliness notwithstanding.
Half the time I'm not sure if you even believe the stuff you type. I know you're not stupid so my guess is that your just talking to hear your own voice.
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Meanwhile nothing will be made out of the 3 ints luck had dropped today.
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Meanwhile nothing will be made out of the 3 ints luck had dropped today.
Because they didn't happen. Just like the couple of RGIII picks that were dropped last week weren't counted against him.
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Meanwhile nothing will be made out of the 3 ints luck had dropped today.
Look up symbiotic relationship and use some critical thinking skills to apply it to Griffin and Morris. Neither would have had the same success without the other. Teams were not expecting Morris to have the impact he did which really helped out the offense and Griffin as a rookie QB. Than remember back to when Cousins came in and the offense did not miss a beat and surely you are going to come back with "zomgzz it was the brownzz...they suckzzz" yet no one wants to mention Griffin had his best game of the season in week 1 verse the worst defense in the history of the NFL.

Than look at Luck on the Colts - a totally revamped roster - 35 new players, new head coach and offense. The only constant on offense was Reggie Wayne. They made no splashy offseason acquisitions like the Redskins when they overpaid for Garcon and Morgan. Luck is by far the more impressive player but people seem to like judging by stats more than wins/losses and overall impact on the organization.
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No, look up context, and get back to me. You know the thing every luck hugger likes to point to to make a case for him.
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No, look up context, and get back to me. You know the thing every luck hugger likes to point to to make a case for him.
you make no sense. I just gave you the context and break down of the situation. The truth hurts I know
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Right, ur context is amazing. Lmao
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Right, ur context is amazing. Lmao
give me your context bub - explain it to me please
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Like i give one **** what you retards think of an opinion. You idiots are worth a good laugh and thats pretty much the crux of it.
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JSagan that INT was just a horrible throw by Luck right there. I mean how was this guy even drafted? No way RG3 would ever make such a terrible play. I actually can't wait for the next game just to see the awesome cross between Barry Sanders and Joe Montana that is RG3
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give me your context bub - explain it to me please

Go ead the other posts i mean if reading and comprehending are even a viable option.
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Like i give one **** what you retards think of an opinion. You idiots are worth a good laugh and thats pretty much the crux of it.
If you don't care, why are you constantly arguing about it?
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Go ead the other posts i mean if reading and comprehending are even a viable option.
Or typing.
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Like i give one **** what you retards think of an opinion. You idiots are worth a good laugh and thats pretty much the crux of it.
If that were true you wouldn't still be yelling at your monitor while posting in this thread.
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Whoops. Embarrassed. Going to blame your Iphone for your miserable spelling too?
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Or I missed a key on my iphone. Woops! Im so embarrased.
But you're the one who is being condescending and implying others in this thread can't read or understand what is being said. Stop being so antagonistic about it when your own post doesn't make sense
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