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Old 12-28-2012, 04:26 PM    (permalink
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it's ok, it's almost over.
Plot twist, Chiefs go defense in the draft, pass on all QB's and trot out Quinn next year.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:52 PM    (permalink
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Plot twist, Chiefs go defense in the draft, pass on all QB's and trot out Stanzi next year.
And announce that they have a lot of confidence on the young player they've been developing. Yeah, that sounds about right.
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Mike Glennon will lead you next year vidae, it's ok. it'll all be otay
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Ok, you know what? I don't like Rutgers!

Wait, I didn't mean that. Why do you make me hurt you Scotty? I didn't mean it! I didn't mean it!!
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Ok, you know what? I don't like Rutgers!

Wait, I didn't mean that. Why do you make me hurt you Scotty? I didn't mean it! I didn't mean it!!
you know I'm just kidding!!! <3

if you need a RB, LB or CB we've got some studlies for you.

Actually, I want them all for the giants. Watch us and laugh at how Gary Nova is worse than Matt Cassel!
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Half the league ends up pro bowlers by the time the actual game rolls around. No need to get upset. All Pro is what still has some legitimacy.
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I don't think people are butthurt, it's just funny that so many players can get in from a team that won 2 games. I mean it's not like the Pro Bowl is an accurate representation of who's been the best player at each position.

It's crazy because this almost never happens in pro bowl voting, where good players on teams with awful records make it to Hawaii.

Also bizarre that not one player from the league's top ranked D earned PB recognition.

It's a positive sign for the Chiefs and if they can just find their QB and HC, I think they could turn things around very quickly.

KC is one of the better HC jobs out there.

BTW I still like Ricky Stanzi.
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Eric Berry in no way deserves to be in the Pro Bowl, so there's that.
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Still no Pro Bowls for Marques Colston despite having over 1000 yards in six out of his seven seasons in the NFL. Not saying he deserved it this year, but one would think he would have at least made one by now.
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Still no Pro Bowls for Marques Colston despite having over 1000 yards in six out of his seven seasons in the NFL. Not saying he deserved it this year, but one would think he would have at least made one by now.
I know I'll take heat for this, but I've never seen Colston as a pro bowl caliber player. He runs good routes but he's more of a posession guy and his hands seem shaky at times. I also think he could be a byproduct of Brees' mastery.

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I was really hoping that Janoris Jenkins would get a nod as a rookie, with 4 defensive touchdowns. Granted, at times he has very much looked like a rookie, but he has been a great playmaker. Maybe he will get a spot as an alternate?

Speaking of Pro Bowl alternates, can someone tell me...if a guy gets in as an alternate due to a star deciding not to show up, what shows up on his career resume? Is there an italic stating that he was an alternate, or does it just say he made the Pro Bowl?
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I was really hoping that Janoris Jenkins would get a nod as a rookie, with 4 defensive touchdowns. Granted, at times he has very much looked like a rookie, but he has been a great playmaker. Maybe he will get a spot as an alternate?

Speaking of Pro Bowl alternates, can someone tell me...if a guy gets in as an alternate due to a star deciding not to show up, what shows up on his career resume? Is there an italic stating that he was an alternate, or does it just say he made the Pro Bowl?
I don't think there's anything added to his career stats. At least, it doesn't show up on pro-football-reference.com, which is where I (and many others) typically go when looking that stuff up. It's more a matter of saying "so-and-so went to the Pro Bowl in X year," but other players dropping out shouldn't mean an alternate is then recognized historically, because it's not about playing in the pointless game so much as being voted to the roster in the first place. Guys who don't play in the game due to injury or playing in the Super Bowl (or whatever else) are recognized as Pro Bowlers if they get voted in.
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Gotcha. I have often wondered if players purposely drop out to aid them in their contract situations. It is no secret that players who make the Pro Bowl generally get a bigger contract than those that don't. Hence, more Pro Bowlers=bigger contracts.
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I know I'll take heat for this, but I've never seen Colston as a pro bowl caliber player. He runs good routes but he's more of a posession guy and his hands seem shaky at times. I also think he could be a byproduct of Brees' mastery.
I always thought Colston's hands were his best attributes. Maybe he is a byproduct of Brees essentially "throwing him" open. But he does produce at least and get his fair share of touchdowns in the redzone. I could see someone having the notion that he isn't as good as his numbers indicate. I think he is a good receiver though.
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Colston, to me, epitomizes where the game has come to. I can easily see him finishing with career numbers of 1100/13000/80 and never making a Pro Bowl, nor having any chance of ever getting into the Hall of Fame.
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Colston, to me, epitomizes where the game has come to. I can easily see him finishing with career numbers of 1100/13000/80 and never making a Pro Bowl, nor having any chance of ever getting into the Hall of Fame.
Art Monk got in the hall of fame for accumulating stats, and he was about the caliber of Colston in relation to the rest of the league.
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I think Colston is better than his numbers indicate. If he were force fed the ball like some guys, he'd have more flashy TD numbers and such. He's been hurt a lot, even when he plays, he's usually nursing some lower body injury and playing much slower than his peak.

He's not an all pro level player, but he's probably better than people realize. Lance Moore is the one totally created by Brees, and trying to force him the ball down the seam like he's Jimmy Graham has led to a lot of bad interceptions.
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And for a guy who is more of a possession guy, he has a very nice YPC average in his best years, and for a career average.
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Gotcha. I have often wondered if players purposely drop out to aid them in their contract situations. It is no secret that players who make the Pro Bowl generally get a bigger contract than those that don't. Hence, more Pro Bowlers=bigger contracts.
Actually this isn't true, there have been several studies into what contributes to player salaries, and pro bowls have proven time and time again to not be a statistically significant variable.
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Article on NFL.com from a former player reveals that tactical voting is used to help overcome not being allowed to vote for teammates.


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The Pro Bowl is supposed to showcase the season's most exceptional players. To have your blood, sweat and tears recognized by your peers is a mark of respect that validates your talent. Deep down inside, every player is self-conscious; every player wants to know that he's good enough.

That, however, has been lost in the politics.

Here's how Pro Bowl voting by players -- who get a third of the overall vote; the other two thirds go to coaches and fans -- went down inside the locker room when I played ...

Coaches don't want the Pro Bowl voting to interfere with the flow of the workday, so we were usually handed a ballot at the end of the day, when we were exhausted and ready to go home. We could not vote for our own teammates. Also, as a defensive player, I could only vote for offensive players, and offensive players could only vote for defensive players.

As much as we valued our peers' recognition, we were so inundated with breaking down film of our practices and the next opponent that we couldn't really see the whole league play. Some of the names were foreign to us, especially those belonging to players in the Pacific Northwest.

So the conversation during the voting process usually consisted of asking teammates about players they'd gone up against and who they liked. We are human and have our biases; if you or your teammates didn't like somebody for some reason, you wouldn't vote for that player.

There was another factor at work: Though we couldn't vote for the star players on our own team directly, we could vote for the long-shot candidate at those positions, thus boosting our teammates' chances....

.... The Pro Bowl is an auspicious occasion. To maintain its integrity, the selection process has to change. I believe half of the voting should be determined by NFL pro scouts, while the other half can still be done by coaches, players and fans. Pro scouts can determine the best of the best more accurately than anyone, because of the amount of time they spend breaking down film on players.

Maybe then, performance will finally matter.
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Meh the pro bowl has been a joke lately. The line men don't even try on pass plays any more.
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