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Old 02-27-2013, 01:52 PM    (permalink
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Holding strong with Jarvis @ 1.

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Jarvis Jones' problem is that he isn't on numerous teams boards. 10 teams took him off their boards at the combine. Talented, yes, but he's incredibly risky because of his spine.

edit: The rumor on Star is that he just lost too much weight too fast, so he ought to be moving back up after his next check.
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Jarvis Jones' problem is that he isn't on numerous teams boards. 10 teams took him off their boards at the combine. Talented, yes, but he's incredibly risky because of his spine.

edit: The rumor on Star is that he just lost too much weight too fast, so he ought to be moving back up after his next check.
I heard that last night on some sports talk show. Star supposedly did the dehydration thing that some athletes do before weigh-ins.

It's just a rumor, but it seems plausible.
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Jarvis Jones won't fall past 9. Write it down, whatever. The Jets never fail anyone for medical reasons.
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Mine at the moment (subject to change big-time as I haven't evaluated everyone yet):

1) Jarvis Jones
2) Eric Fisher
3) Dee Milliner
4) Luke Joeckel
5) Chance Warmack
6) Cordarrelle Patterson
7) Tavon Austin
8) Ziggy Ansah
9) Jonathan Cooper
10) Lane Johnson
11) Sheldon Richardson
12) Desmond Trufant
13) D.J. Fluker
14) Tyler Eifert
15) Star Lotulelei
16) Eddie Lacy
17) Dion Jordan
18) Tank Carradine
19) Sylvester Williams
20) Kenny Vaccaro
21) Alec Ogletree
22) Quinton Patton
23) DeAndre Hopkins
24) Robert Woods
25) Xavier Rhodes
26) Damontre Moore
27) Bjoern Werner
28) Travis Frederick
29) Jonathan Banks
30) Tyrann Matheiu
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Mine at the moment (subject to change big-time as I haven't evaluated everyone yet):

1) Jarvis Jones
2) Eric Fisher
3) Dee Milliner
4) Luke Joeckel
5) Chance Warmack
6) Cordarrelle Patterson
7) Tavon Austin
8) Ziggy Ansah
9) Jonathan Cooper
10) Lane Johnson
11) Sheldon Richardson
12) Desmond Trufant
13) D.J. Fluker
14) Tyler Eifert
15) Star Lotulelei
16) Eddie Lacy
17) Dion Jordan
18) Tank Carradine
19) Sylvester Williams
20) Kenny Vaccaro
21) Alec Ogletree
22) Quinton Patton
23) DeAndre Hopkins
24) Robert Woods
25) Xavier Rhodes
26) Damontre Moore
27) Bjoern Werner
28) Travis Frederick
29) Jonathan Banks
30) Tyrann Matheiu
Were you the one that I told it was only a matter of time before you have Rhodes in your top 25? Oh Yeah. : )
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No actually you weren't. This is my first big board for 2013 actually.

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Damn. Now I have to find that thread.....

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I'm a Georgia fan and can't believe all the hype for Jarvis. I've always liked him but he won't be a great pro. Guys like Ansah, Jordan, and Mingo aren't as complete as Jones, but have way higher ceilings.
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Interesting top 10. You have two guys in there that have health issues and i'm not sure about Jarvis Jones even if he is healthy. Would like to see him flash some big time speed at his pro day. Also not sure about having two guards up there. I know this isn't a mock draft but that position probably doesn't warrant that.

The pick that shows it's a weak draft at the top is Shariff Floyd, can't see that, he isn't going to be anything special getting to the QB and a #2 pick for someone that might be good against the run (2 down player) seems a bad investment.
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Interesting top 10. You have two guys in there that have health issues and i'm not sure about Jarvis Jones even if he is healthy. Would like to see him flash some big time speed at his pro day. Also not sure about having two guards up there. I know this isn't a mock draft but that position probably doesn't warrant that.

The pick that shows it's a weak draft at the top is Shariff Floyd, can't see that, he isn't going to be anything special getting to the QB and a #2 pick for someone that might be good against the run (2 down player) seems a bad investment.
So are you feeling Tyson Jackson all over again with Sharrif Floyd?
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So are you feeling Tyson Jackson all over again with Sharrif Floyd?
Probably more like Glenn Dorsey...

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Holding strong with Jarvis @ 1.

I'm with him.
That man that refused to compete at the combine and who doesn't fit all schemes? Okay.
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I'm a Georgia fan and can't believe all the hype for Jarvis. I've always liked him but he won't be a great pro. Guys like Ansah, Jordan, and Mingo aren't as complete as Jones, but have way higher ceilings.
That guys frame is maxed out at 240. I don't know how anyone in their right mind can say he is the #1 prospect available. He does do a good job of chasing down QBs, but that's it. He can't bullrush like James Harrison. He's not particularly good in coverage. He is NO Von Miller and belongs outside the top ten IMO.
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That guys frame is maxed out at 240. I don't know how anyone in their right mind can say he is the #1 prospect available. He does do a good job of chasing down QBs, but that's it. He can't bullrush like James Harrison. He's not particularly good in coverage. He is NO Von Miller and belongs outside the top ten IMO.
it's gotten to the point where Jarvis is underrated. He lead the nation in sacks, TFLs and FF's. In easily the toughest conference in the country. He's a day 1 starter at LB and probable DROY.
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Probably more like Glenn Dorsey...

Glenn Dorsey has been very solid when not hurt! .....damn it....
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Is he going to add 12 pounds of muscle?
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I doubt any team has taken Jarvis Jones off their board at this moment. These decisions are always left strictly to the doctors not scouts or GM's, and I don't think their reports will be in for awhile.

If the doctors give him a thumbs down, then he could easily slide to round 2, it's all up to them.
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Is he going to add 12 pounds of muscle?
He is going to have a favorable check up from doctors.

He is going to run 4.6

His game tape of relentless playmaking skills will be watched.

He will be top 10.
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I doubt any team has taken Jarvis Jones off their board at this moment. These decisions are always left strictly to the doctors not scouts or GM's, and I don't think their reports will be in for awhile.

If the doctors give him a thumbs down, then he could easily slide to round 2, it's all up to them.
The medical evaluation was done at the combine and the teams got the information they're going to get. I've heard mixed things. NFL network said the evaluations came back fine, but walterfootball reports the evaluation was troubling and multiple teams took him off their boards
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He is going to have a favorable check up from doctors.

He is going to run 4.6

His game tape of relentless playmaking skills will be watched.

He will be top 10.
I'll take that as a no. His frame is maxed out. I think he will possibly be good, but not great.
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I expect Jarvis Jones will run a passable 40 time at his pro day but will post very mediocre numbers in his agility drills. He was very productive at the college level but is not the explosive prospect some people expect him to be, regardless of his health.

He was a tenacious player who stayed in the play until after the whistle blew and that got him some coverage sacks, but at the NFL level those coverage sacks will turn into him just barely not getting there in time more often than not.
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So are you feeling Tyson Jackson all over again with Sharrif Floyd?
Jackson was a two gap 3-4 DE who was a system fit at the time for the Chiefs - those long armed two gap guys are tough to find, probably why no one runs it these days!! Floyd is a one gap penetrator - class three technique. Very different players.
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