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Some of these lists are just absolutely horrible.

1) Luck
2) Wilson

3) Newton
4) Foles
5) RGIII

6) Bradford
7) Tannehill
8) Dalton

9) Kapernick

10) Locker
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Ranking all 18 QBs drafted in the first 3 rounds 2010-2012

1. Andrew Luck
2. Russell Wilson
3. Colin Kaepernick
4. Cam Newton
5. Nick Foles
6. Brock Osweiler
7. Andy Dalton
8. Ryan Tannehill
9. Robert Griffin (truthfully, I'd rather have Kirk Cousins)
10. Tim Tebow
11. Jake Locker
12. Sam Bradford
13. Ryan Mallett
14. Christian Ponder
15. Colt McCoy
16. Blanie Gabbert
17. Jimmy Clausen
18. Brandon Weeden
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Ranking all 18 QBs drafted in the first 3 rounds 2010-2012

1. Andrew Luck
2. Russell Wilson
3. Colin Kaepernick
4. Cam Newton
5. Nick Foles
6. Brock Osweiler
7. Andy Dalton
8. Ryan Tannehill
9. Robert Griffin (truthfully, I'd rather have Kirk Cousins)
10. Tim Tebow
11. Jake Locker
12. Sam Bradford
13. Ryan Mallett
14. Christian Ponder
15. Colt McCoy
16. Blanie Gabbert
17. Jimmy Clausen
18. Brandon Weeden
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Ranking all 18 QBs drafted in the first 3 rounds 2010-2012

1. Andrew Luck
2. Russell Wilson
3. Colin Kaepernick
4. Cam Newton
5. Nick Foles
6. Brock Osweiler
7. Andy Dalton
8. Ryan Tannehill
9. Robert Griffin (truthfully, I'd rather have Kirk Cousins)
10. Tim Tebow
11. Jake Locker
12. Sam Bradford
13. Ryan Mallett
14. Christian Ponder
15. Colt McCoy
16. Blanie Gabbert
17. Jimmy Clausen
18. Brandon Weeden
Wait... Brock Osweiler is higher than Robert Griffin for what reason?

Also Kaepernick over Cam Newton?

This is so bad.
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Ranking all 18 QBs drafted in the first 3 rounds 2010-2012

1. Andrew Luck
2. Russell Wilson
3. Colin Kaepernick
4. Cam Newton
5. Nick Foles
6. Brock Osweiler
7. Andy Dalton
8. Ryan Tannehill
9. Robert Griffin (truthfully, I'd rather have Kirk Cousins)
10. Tim Tebow
11. Jake Locker
12. Sam Bradford
13. Ryan Mallett
14. Christian Ponder
15. Colt McCoy
16. Blanie Gabbert
17. Jimmy Clausen
18. Brandon Weeden
Not sure if serious on Tebow and Osweiler. Dalton and RGIII both led their teams to the playoffs last year, and they should be higher. Newton is on pace for his first winning season with Carolina, but I still feel he is slightly overrated. Sam Bradford is too low.

Here's how I would go.

1. Luck
2. Russell Wilson
3. Colin Kaepernick
4. Andy Dalton
5. RGIII
6. Cam Newton
7. Nick Foles
8. Ryan Tannehill
9. Sam Bradford
10. Jake Locker
11. Osweiler & Mallett - just haven't seen enough of these guys

Another planet of suck - Ponder, Weeden, Clausen, Tebow, McCoy, Gabbert
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Osweiler has a total of seven attempts in his two years in the NFL. But he's higher ranked than RGIII and other starters.
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Not sure if foles is overrated or Tanny underrated, but a lot of you are doing this wrong.
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Someone summon njx in this thread. Osweiler lol.
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Not sure if foles is overrated or Tanny underrated, but a lot of you are doing this wrong.
Tannehill just isn't all that good. I'd absolutely take Foles over him.
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What the heck.

Tier 1

1. Russell Wilson. No Homer. He's better at keeping plays alive than anyone and is quietly the most prolific running quarterback in the league this year. (Aside from Terrelle Pryor, of course.)

2. Andrew Luck. It's never over with him, either. I like Russell better, and I'd pick him over Luck if I had to choose, but I'm ok with calling Luck 1B.


Tier 2

3. Cam Newton. He's been a more effective quarterback than RG3 this year despite having less offensive talent around him. Still some issues with accuracy, but he's had good composure and a penchant for keeping drives alive with his legs. He gets a lot of points for carrying so much of Carolina's offense by himself.

3B. RG3. Putting him here is based on what we saw last year. If I was judging him only on this year, he'd be lower. Diminished run threat has exposed him as a limited, albeit strong-armed passer.


Tier 3

5. Nick Foles. I like his mad bomber style. He could easily rise or fall, but this is where he's at right now.

6. Colin Kaepernick. Hasn't shown last year's magic as either a runner or a passer. Losing Michael Crabtree hurts, but he hasn't shown great decision-making, either, and has looked flustered at times.

7. Ryan Tannehill. Still developing. I haven't been able to see a lot of him this year, but from what I've seen he looks like he's about where he's supposed to be. I'll expect him to make another leap next year. His team is mediocre overall and he hasn't really raised their level of play. I think he'd be having a much better season on, say, the Bengals.

8. Andy Dalton. Benefits from having a really strong team around him. Not too far from another Trent Dilfer in my mind, but in a pass-happier era and on a team with many more receiving options. Still inconsistent, still doesn't throw a great out route.

9. Jake Locker. I wish he wasn't always injured so I could form a better opinion of him. Seems like he has most of the physical ability and toughness you need, but I've seen some accuracy and progression issues aside from his constant presence on the injury report.

10. Terrelle Pryor. I'm intrigued by his potential and still want to see how he develops. He's looked amazing in a couple of moments, and I hate betting against top-tier athletic potential coupled with a gamer's mentality, toughness and drive. I think Pryor has those things, but he's still incredibly raw as well.

Tier 4

I just don't think either of these guys are starters for anyone after the teams that drafted them finally decide to cut the cord. I imagine they'll log starts for somebody else down the line, but I don't see them taking hold of a job for good.

11. Sam Bradford.

12. Christian Ponder.

And then there is

Blaine Gabbert.

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Of course you would like and take Wilson over Luck
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I'll take Luck over Wilson, but Russel is the truth and it is closer than most people seem to think it is.
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That's all I'm really saying. And I put Luck at 1B. I think it's a genuine toss-up. I think the only people who strongly prefer Luck are still looking at their physical profiles, because Russell is both dynamic and clutch. He's been just as vital to this offense as Marshawn.
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As a SKins fan I hate to say it, but Russell Wilson has outplayed everyone so far in his draft class. Clutch doesn't begin to describe his level of play these past two seasons.

I think he's set up to be the first QB from either the 2011 or 2012 classes to win a SB too.
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I think he's set up to be the first QB from either the 2011 or 2012 classes to win a SB too.
Wilson so far looks like the best. He's never out of a game and doesn't make dumb mistakes. And that's a dangerous thing.
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Luck and Wilson have been out of this world good. I one thing I will say about Wilson is he has by far the best team out of all these QB's. Best Oline, Best RB, Best D.

I know RG3 has been hit or miss this year. But the guy did come back from a major knee injury in 8 months. And when he's full speed he's right up there with those two.

Cam Newton to me is 4th. The light has come on for this guy. And when he's on unstoppable might the best way to put it.
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Luck and Wilson have been out of this world good. I one thing I will say about Wilson is he has by far the best team out of all these QB's. Best Oline, Best RB, Best D.

I know RG3 has been hit or miss this year. But the guy did come back from a major knee injury in 8 months. And when he's full speed he's right up there with those two.

Cam Newton to me is 4th. The light has come on for this guy. And when he's on unstoppable might the best way to put it.
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Luck and Wilson have been out of this world good. I one thing I will say about Wilson is he has by far the best team out of all these QB's. Best Oline, Best RB, Best D.

I know RG3 has been hit or miss this year. But the guy did come back from a major knee injury in 8 months. And when he's full speed he's right up there with those two.

Cam Newton to me is 4th. The light has come on for this guy. And when he's on unstoppable might the best way to put it.
No, he has definitely not. The Seahawk's O-line has been awful lately. We just got three starters back this week.
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I'll go with immediate to semi short term (2-4 years).

1) Luck
He is winning games without a quality OL or run game. I give him the slight edge over Wilson because Wilson benefits from a considerably better cast around him. He wins games and is living up to his billing so far.

2) Wilson
The guy can play. He has taken over a contender and hasn't disappointed. I loved him as a prospect when no one would talk about him because of his height. Plays on a great team but they benefit just as much as he does.

3) Newton
He is a having a great year. His defense is playing elite and he his play this year is really complementing it. Taking care of the football. He struggles going through reads but with his tools he is still very successful. He is so big he can run power run plays.

4) Tannehill
I really like what I've seen out of him at times. He is still developing but I can really see him making strides in the near future. Nice tools. Not a great cast around him right now but not the worst.

5) Kaepernick
Has really fallen back down to earth this year. I think the complete lack of offensive weapons on offense is being overlooked. Davis and Boldin are the only pass catchers on the team. Davis has been dinged up and is the only down field threat. Boldin isn't dynamic any more and isn't a threat beyond 10 yards. Kaep has struggled for a lot of reason this year, some his fault some not his fault, but I think he would bounce back with some better quality weapons. Not elite guys, but if Crabtree and Manningham were playing all year he would be better.

6) Griffin
Probably the best one last year but he has struggled this year. I had big questions about the way the ready option look boosted his output last year and if he could stay healthy. He came back too soon on that knee at the beginning of the year and it messed with his mechanics making him less accurate than he can be. Also with less of a threat to run, some of those big windows in the passing game have tightened up. Some of his stats are misleading with a fair amount in garbage time after getting behind. I just don't know if I can trust him to stay healthy enough to be a long long term guy. He is dynamic as they come though but he is the most fragile one of the top guys.

7) Dalton
I have a soft spot for Dalton. He is in a great situation talent and system wise and has surpassed expectations so far, but he still need to do more and be better. The Bengals are ready to go and he is the limiting factor. He is never going to be the dynamic playmaker, but I think he can be a steady hand and win a lot of games. He needs to cut down the turnovers and win some playoff games to get respected.

8) Locker
He is right on the border of being solution for a team. I see bits and pieces of a good QB but not sure if he will be healthy enough to be the answer.

I need more time for Foles to rank him and anyone else I don't see as possible long term solution for a team.
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Explanation for my list, I'm not saying right now. I'm syaing going forward. I am not a fan of RGIII at all. An injury prone, one-read passer is not going to have sustained success. I personally think when Osweiler becomes the starter in 2015, he'll have a better career going forward than RGIII.

Concerning Kaep over Cam, it is pretty much a tie. But Cam is still a sub .500 QB. I like Kaep's coaching staff much better and I think he is still more raw than Newton so I think he'll progress more.

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Christian Ponder led his team to the playoffs last season, so should he be higher?
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One read passer?? You mean like Cutler targeting Brandon Marshall 200 times last season?? Or do you mean a one read passer like Matt Stafford to Megatron??

Ranking a guy riding the bench(!!) over RG3 is nutty.
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One read passer?? You mean like Cutler targeting Brandon Marshall 200 times last season?? Or do you mean a one read passer like Matt Stafford to Megatron??

Ranking a guy riding the bench(!!) over RG3 is nutty.
I agree about putting a guy on the bench over RGIII is ridiculous. But I don't disagree with his opinion on Bob. RGIII's best days might already be behind him.

The best comparison for RGIII is actually Mike Vick. Not especially big, kind of skinny. Injury prone. Superior athlete, beautiful deep ball, terrible accuracy otherwise. Cannot learn to avoid a hit.

Some of these things are correctable. But I haven't seen him do it yet. And if I had to bet on it, I doubt he ever will.
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When did it become a bad thing for a QB to throw a lot to his best target? Especially when his other options aren't nearly as good.

On another topic, did RG3 really call out his coach again? He'd be doing himself a favor to stop talking about his coach to the media.
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I've watched way too many Colts games this season, and I feel like Luck would be a top-5 QB if their coaching staff would just let him do his thing.

Wilson is also no joke. His height was seriously the only reason that he wasn't a top-3 pick, and he's shown that it's not an issue in the NFL.

I think Cam is the other legit franchise QB out of this group.

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There is a huge difference between being a one read passer and someone who over relies on one specifc target. Some guys force the ball to a certain guy while others are put in a scheme where it is dictated they go to a certain option.

The criticism over Griffin is that the passing game is simplified to where he has obvious reads and if not he tucks and runs. It is still a part of his game this year where he will look at the first option in the pattern and if he is not available he will start running around. This results in a lot of broken plays but is not an example of a QB going through his progressions. Both Cutler and Stafford have shown consistently they can get to their 3 or 4 route in the pattern. RG3 hasn't.

It is a criticism of RG3 but one which was masked significantly last year with his ability to extend plays. However, in my opinion that is not a successful, long term way to be a great QB
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