REVISION: Money Within the NFL

[cajuncorey]

Mr. Shane p Hallam along with his napoleon complex has advised me through infractions and his material fallacies. I will NORTH AMERICANIZE the following article and put it into terms even an OHIO STATE alumni with a humanities degree can understand. In such a fake universe I am chased and prosecuted for I attempt to be the opiated of the masses. My friends you will find the real universe one day.

For the original ENLIGHTENING article.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/...ad.php?t=55932

With the help of my colleagues we have slowed down the articulation of the last article for simpletons. Rewritten by Samuel, Ryall, and Nikola

“Rarely is the question asked: is our children learning?” - George W. Bush, When faced with the question of illiteracy in the south.

Recent releases of very talented athletes by their respective organizations have startled me. Guys that are still able to compete at a very high level are being dumped so that the team can save a buck because they can get a rookie to do the same thing for a much cheaper price. This sort of thing is done in the industrial sector all the time, lay-off someone with 20+ years and accumulated vacation/perks to higher someone for much less in order to get the same work for much less.

Having said this we see quarterbacks somehow above the system. We see the Joe flaccos of the world receiving record breaking contracts and not even being the most deserving player, yet he can get it because he is a low supply high demand commodity. Mark sanchez was a huge reach in retrospect and is one of the higher paid players in the league despite playing at a very low level as of recent. And somehow Jamarcus Russell is still being paid even though he has been one of the biggest busts to ever grace the nfl landscape. Peyton Manning did not get such treatment because of the prodigy coming up and questions about his future.

We see the issue with Boldin being asked to take a paycut. Which is a big issue with backloaded contracts and lack of guaranteed money. This money is promised but does not have to be distributed unless he is still on the team. Which is the loopholes these teams utilize to get by actually paying these players. They can find younger talent to do similar things for much less. This is why the free agent market isn’t what it once was. More teams find the draft a more viable resource for replacements because the talent has not been tapped into yet. But the loyalty to the players is whats at stake. Is the organization that much higher than the player that when money becomes a problem do we just throw them to the streets? Freeney, Harrison, and Turner have all been victims of this process. The free-agent veterans will remain free agents because of the fear of past aliments and having to pay them. And how can an NFL great Peyton Manning be released so easily without any sort of remorse. I do not have any solution to the issue at the time. It could be the nature of such a violent sport. But perhaps the salary cap is what allows this to happen.

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Cajun

[PossibleCabbage]

I honestly don't see a problem with veteran NFLers being waived, or asked to take paycuts due to salary cap issues.

I mean, if you can still play you can get a job at the veteran minimum, and the veteran minimum is certainly more than a fair wage. No one has a right to be paid millions of dollars per year.

[falloutboy14]

1) Freeney was not released, his contract expired. The Colts were kind enough to notify him ahead of time that they were not interested in pursuing his services again.

2) The NFL is a business. The owners know this, the players know this. Its the players perogative to earn as much as they can, when they can, while they can. Loyalty comes second.

3) Football players know the difference between guaranteed money and non-guaranteed money. When contracts are designed, with this in mind. No player is forced to sign a contract, it may not be everything they want, but if its the best they can get, its the best they can get.

[CashmoneyDrew]

[descendency]

Sidenote: I once quoted the "Is our children learning" quote by President (at the time) Bush, to which one English teacher wrote on my judging ballot "It's are our children learning."

I think she was the only one in the room that missed the joke part.

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On topic, I really don't understand what is being discussed here. Players sign contracts and their agents know when they are going to be cut/traded. There is no voodoo magic going on in the back rooms. Boldin knew he would be disposable this year. Like Haynesworth did. And Vick. and others.

[Monomach]

In this thread, OP is shocked by something that has been happening since before free agency even existed.

[PossibleCabbage]

Originally Posted by Monomach

In this thread, OP is shocked by something that has been happening since before free agency even existed.

Back in the good ol' days if a team wanted to pay you less money, they'd just tell you that you were going to have your pay cut and your choices were "retire" or "deal with it."

At least with free agency and the salary cap you can't do that anymore.

[Iamcanadian]

In the past 10-15 years, the cap has gone up somewhere in the neighbourhood of 10 and 15 million a year. This year, it only increased by 3 million and we are just beginning to see the results. Any team that was near the cap limit is clearly in trouble and forced to readjust their salary structure and make cuts.

In previous years, the added cap money made it easy for capped out teams to meet payroll, it appears, those years may be gone forever and a new reality has entered the scene.

[Bulldogs]

Cajuncorey, we are not worthy.

[Matthew Jones]

I would actually like simplified contracts similar to the NBA's, but with some minor changes. Like the NBA, contracts could be fully guaranteed, but unlike the NBA, teams would have the option of releasing a player and removing their cap figure. That way, bad teams aren't stuck in salary cap hell forever, and players would still receive their money.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by Matthew Jones

I would actually like simplified contracts similar to the NBA's, but with some minor changes. Like the NBA, contracts could be fully guaranteed, but unlike the NBA, teams would have the option of releasing a player and removing their cap figure. That way, bad teams aren't stuck in salary cap hell forever, and players would still receive their money.

Never going to happen in a sport like football where serious injuries occur all too often, teams know that once there are all guaranteed contracts, every star will demand their contracts be guaranteed for the full amount. It's not a pandoras' box the league wants to open.

How, in your system, would an injured players receive his money, they would be dead out of luck once a serious injury occurred. They would never see another dime unless they recovered and even then they could be looking at far less money, so where does the guaranteed money mean anything.

[falloutboy14]

I don't pay attention to the NBA, but from his description, a released player would still be owed X amount. But it would not count against the salary cap. It removes dead money.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by falloutboy14

I don't pay attention to the NBA, but from his description, a released player would still be owed X amount. But it would not count against the salary cap. It removes dead money.

Yeah, but do you really think the owners would go for it in a sport where serious injuries occur, never mind all the injuries we never really know about. If they had to pay out all that guaranteed money to the full contract, they would be cutting players left and right or go broke. Remember, the NBA rosters are very small, NFL teams have huge rosters and guaranteeing every contract would eventually bankrupt a # of teams and kill the sport.

[Cigaro]

Cajuncorey has been infractioned? The White Army is upon us! But we shall not worry, for the valor of our brethren shall defend us! Victory and potatoes for all!

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

Where is the bourgeoisie supreme leader KLAUS?

Also:

what does ur history lesson have to do with football homie?

[Brothgar]

I think that the QB position has started to become vastly over valued. People constantly talk about low supply and high demand. But the notion that you need that top 5-10 QB in the league has been thoroughly debunked this off season where none of the QBs in the Super Bowl were considered elite and when you start to overpay any single player QB or no the team as a whole suffers. If you look at the Super Bowl Winners from 2000-01 Ravens to today none of the QBs were top 5 in cap hit none. That includes Eli Manning last season with that 100 million contract was restructured to a meager 9 mil cap number in 2012. I don't think this is mere coincidence. IIRC many if not most of the QBs that won the superbowl in that timeline were on their rookie contracts.

[JT Jag]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

NFL teams have huge rosters and guaranteeing every contract would eventually bankrupt a # of teams and kill the sport.

I assume that changing the NFL to a fully guaranteed salary system would also include dramatically reducing salaries as they are now. Like, NFL players essentially get double the "guaranteed money" (signing bonuses and the like) they do currently, but would have to make do without the inflated 15 million a year salaries. Excepting the megastars, who would still get that kind of money, because that's just how the market works.

And contracts, of course, would only become guaranteed once being cut down to 53, so teams would be able to invite and work out players at training camp without handing out significant guaranteed contracts.

[SuperPacker]

Originally Posted by Brothgar

I think that the QB position has started to become vastly over valued. People constantly talk about low supply and high demand. But the notion that you need that top 5-10 QB in the league has been thoroughly debunked this off season where none of the QBs in the Super Bowl were considered elite and when you start to overpay any single player QB or no the team as a whole suffers. If you look at the Super Bowl Winners from 2000-01 Ravens to today none of the QBs were top 5 in cap hit none. That includes Eli Manning last season with that 100 million contract was restructured to a meager 9 mil cap number in 2012. I don't think this is mere coincidence. IIRC my if not most of the QBs that won the superbowl in that timeline were on their rookie canontracts.

How could it be debunked in one postseason? Have you not heard of exceptions to the rule? And btw, Joe Flacco played like a top 5 QB this postseason. Having a borderline top 10 QB play the best he's ever played for 4 games and winning the Superbowl does not 'debunk' the notion that you need a top 10 QB to win a Superbowl. If Joe Flacco hadn't played as well as he did, the Ravens wouldn't have won the Superbowl.

[Brothgar]

Originally Posted by SuperPacker

How could it be debunked in one postseason? Have you not heard of exceptions to the rule? And btw, Joe Flacco played like a top 5 QB this postseason. Having a borderline top 10 QB play the best he's ever played for 4 games and winning the Superbowl does not 'debunk' the notion that you need a top 10 QB to win a Superbowl. If Joe Flacco hadn't played as well as he did, the Ravens wouldn't have won the Superbowl.

It isn't jut one post season. For many the notion that only top 5 QBs win the super bowl is a self fulfilling prophecy because during the NFC Championship game people thought it was a lol worthy notion that the Ravens would even get past the Pats. If you look at the teams that make the playoffs in a year in year out basis most the QBs fall into two categories. 1) Blue chip starters Peyton, Rodgers, Brady, Brees, (if you want to throw Eli or Ben feel free) and then the rest are QBs who are either on a rookie contract or a low cap number. But if I need more proof that the QB position has become over valued

Cap wise Kevin Kolb is worth as much as Calais Campbell and Adrian Wilson combined.

Ryan Fitzpatrick is worth as much cap space as Jarius Byrd and CJ Spiller combined.

Tony Romo is cap wise almost equal to Demarcus Ware, Jason Witten and Brandon Carr combined.

[brat316]

The nfl will turn into sub par over a course of time if something isn't done about middle class, the vets. It'll just be filled with superstar players and rookies.

[Monomach]

Originally Posted by bhaarat316

The nfl will turn into sub par over a course of time if something isn't done about middle class, the vets. It'll just be filled with superstar players and rookies.

Not even close. The effects of the new CBA are being felt right now. This is something that will correct itself over time as older contracts leave the books and teams adjust to a few years of a stagnant salary cap.

Middling vets and journeymen and everything will always be around. Everything we know about everyone's value is all that is going to change. These guys are still going to be signed by teams and playing next year. They're not going to be unemployed and disappear, lowering the talent level of the NFL.

[cajuncorey]

Originally Posted by Cigaro

Cajuncorey has been infractioned? The White Army is upon us! But we shall not worry, for the valor of our brethren shall defend us! Victory and potatoes for all!

They are at the doorstep! We must emerge victorious! Scorched Earth!

Originally Posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH

Where is the bourgeoisie supreme leader KLAUS?

Also:

what does ur history lesson have to do with football homie?

HE IS NOT BOURGEOISISE AND WE DO NOT SUPPORT THE BOURGEOISIE! HE IS SIMPLY IN EXILE DUE TO ALL THE IGNORANT CITIZENS OUT THERE.

As well your reference to a former quote i once made is a dated one, back when i had not seen the light and was not educated. Times have changed.

[mqtirishfan]

Originally Posted by cajuncorey

Mr. Shane p Hallam along with his napoleon complex has advised me through infractions and his material fallacies. I will NORTH AMERICANIZE the following article and put it into terms even an OHIO STATE alumni with a humanities degree can understand. In such a fake universe I am chased and prosecuted for I attempt to be the opiated of the masses. My friends you will find the real universe one day.

This is the absolute pinnacle of trolling.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Originally Posted by mqtirishfan

This is the absolute pinnacle of trolling.

It's cute :)

[FlyingElvis]

Originally Posted by Monomach

In this thread, OP is shocked by something that has been happening since before free agency even existed.

Pretty sure it's bigger than that.

. . . but you can't hold a whole [league] responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted [franchises.] For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole [league] system? And if the whole [league] system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our [sports] institutions in general? I put it to you, [cajuncorey] - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!