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Old 06-24-2013, 01:22 PM    (permalink
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Ah. But to what extent? What have you guys been debating ceiling wise. Everyone I talk to is split on his potential. I'm certainly aboard the wagon, myself. Atop by magic wish list.
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I'm not saying they're going to be the same player, but didn't James Harden have some of the same questions as Shabazz has now? Not athletic and other little nuances. Just was a thought of mine, and I wouldn't mind the Thunder taking him at 12 the more I think about it.

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I'm not saying they're going to be the same player, but didn't James Harden have some of the same questions as Shabazz has now? Not athletic and other little nuances. Just was a thought of mine, and I wouldn't mind the Thunder taking him at 12 the more I think about it.
I think NBADraft.net is about as piss poor as a draft website can be. With that said, here are their breakdowns for both players:

James Harden

Shabazz Muhammad

Seems as they they were quite a bit higher on Harden than 'Bazz. I also want to point out that they have Utah taking Shabazz at the moment. I swear to god, if that happens and I hear any play on words with Shabazz and Jazz, I will pray for the obliteration of the state of Utah. Sorry, Utes.
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I think NBADraft.net is about as piss poor as a draft website can be. With that said, here are their breakdowns for both players:

James Harden

Shabazz Muhammad

Seems as they they were quite a bit higher on Harden than 'Bazz. I also want to point out that they have Utah taking Shabazz at the moment. I swear to god, if that happens and I hear any play on words with Shabazz and Jazz, I will pray for the obliteration of the state of Utah. Sorry, Utes.
O_O dat potential doe!

Now I hope Utah picks him.
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I'm not saying they're going to be the same player, but didn't James Harden have some of the same questions as Shabazz has now? Not athletic and other little nuances. Just was a thought of mine, and I wouldn't mind the Thunder taking him at 12 the more I think about it.
James was better at every single thing in college than Shabazz.
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Pretty much. Aside from being black and left handed, they really don't have much in common.
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Ah. But to what extent? What have you guys been debating ceiling wise. Everyone I talk to is split on his potential. I'm certainly aboard the wagon, myself. Atop by magic wish list.
I got a question for you. How do you see playing time for Harkless working out if we drafted Oladipo?
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I got a question for you. How do you see playing time for Harkless working out if we drafted Oladipo?
I heard today that the Bledsoe deal is all but a certainty. So lets say that happens, Hark at 3, Harris at the 4. Starting for sure with bountiful minutes.

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It's not ideal, because of some defensive worries in the front court and Oladipp and Hark still need to work on their handle and round out their offensive game...but this is how I see it playing out. I personally still love it from a shear potential standpoint.
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I heard today that the Bledsoe deal is all but a certainty. So lets say that happens, Hark at 3, Harris at the 4. Starting for sure with bountiful minutes.

PG Bledsoe
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PF Harris
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It's not ideal, because of some defensive worries in the front court and Oladipp and Hark still need to work on their handle and round out their offensive game...but this is how I see it playing out. I personally still love it from a shear potential standpoint.
Your spacing would be horrifically bad if it played out like that. I'm quite sure that offense would be terrible.
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You're probably not wrong. But it's looking more likely that this is the way they intend on going
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Why wouldn't you just start Nicholson or Big Baby and bring Harkless off the bench as your sixth man?
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I heard today that the Bledsoe deal is all but a certainty. So lets say that happens, Hark at 3, Harris at the 4. Starting for sure with bountiful minutes.

PG Bledsoe
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PF Harris
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It's not ideal, because of some defensive worries in the front court and Oladipp and Hark still need to work on their handle and round out their offensive game...but this is how I see it playing out. I personally still love it from a shear potential standpoint.
This is what I've seen...

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Definitely sounds like we want Bledsoe. I like him, but I question his ability to actually play the point. Great athlete, no questions there... but is there any substance behind all that jazz?

Here's why I asked about Harkless... I think Harris' most natural position is SF. At PF, he lacks somewhat defensively. He's fine there if we're playing small ball, but ideally I think Harris logs most of his minutes at SF. Harkless I think will spend more minutes at SG. He'll play SF too, but not when we have our best 5 on the floor. If we draft Oladipo, does that make Harkless a 6th man type? I mean, I'm fine with that too. But I was curious on your take. Seems like you have him at SF.

No doubt, I love everything that Oladipo brings. Just wondering what kind of vision the team has.

With Burke and Noel, I can easily see what we're trying to do. Noel scares me like heck, but if we take him, then I can honestly say the team has confidence in him.

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Why wouldn't you just start Nicholson or Big Baby and bring Harkless off the bench as your sixth man?
Because Big Baby ******* sucks.
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Because Big Baby ******* sucks.
Still better to have him as your token starter then to come out the gate and be out rebounded cause your playing a small ball lineup.
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Still better to have him as your token starter then to come out the gate and be out rebounded cause your playing a small ball lineup.
Davis is a lousy rebounder.
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Is he a better rebounder then Moe Harkless? If not then they can always start Andrew Nicholson who i mentioned before Big Baby.
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I def see Harkless at SF. Dude just isn't a SG. Sure he'll probably log some minutes there, but he's a forward. Harris starts at the 4 going forward, would def see time at the 3 varying on lineup. But he's putting on mass, trying to be that 4.

I honestly wouldn't be shocked if Nicholson is shipped elsewhere. Same goes got Big Baby.
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Who the **** would want Big Baby?
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Nikola was 2nd in the league in rebounding. We really can't expect 2 double digit rebounders in the post. Davis had been fine. He's just not really a part of the long term picture here. Nicholson is, but the team babied him along last season and didn't play him much. He added 18 pounds from the time we drafted him to the end of the season. I think he'll get a lot more playing time this year and we'll be able to see what he's about. ...even if we draft Noel.
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