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It is interesting that Austin is considered a top pick come April at his size, but Devine is slightly bigger and went Undrafted due to his size. How does that happen and how is Devine not on an NFL roster, even as a return man and slot guy?
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I think he quit on the Eagles. That's death in the NFL.
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It is interesting that Austin is considered a top pick come April at his size, but Devine is slightly bigger and went Undrafted due to his size. How does that happen and how is Devine not on an NFL roster, even as a return man and slot guy?
Devine was a RB, never played WR in his life. He's also a good 1/10 of a second slower than Austin. Also is primarily a WR that has played in the backfield and a developed route runner. Devine also had nagging injury issues in college. Austin's a full inch taller.
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This is a comparison based merely at where the players played. One was a RB and the Austin is a WR who lined up at the RB position from time to time ala Percy Harvin
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It is interesting that Austin is considered a top pick come April at his size, but Devine is slightly bigger and went Undrafted due to his size. How does that happen and how is Devine not on an NFL roster, even as a return man and slot guy?
Devine quit on the Eagles when they told him you have to block.
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Devine is capable of catching passes. He had more catches as a rb than some full time wr. Hard to see he could not transition to wr. He is a good athlete. I have also seen returners who are less talented than Devine in the NFL. I have both players listed at 5'8. No significant size difference. Devine was clocked at 4.26-4.38 at his proday. He has equal ability of Austin in my opinion. But how did he go undrafted?

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Devine was a RB, never played WR in his life. He's also a good 1/10 of a second slower than Austin. Also is primarily a WR that has played in the backfield and a developed route runner. Devine also had nagging injury issues in college. Austin's a full inch taller.
Sounds like Devine is a faster Denard Robinson? And that's is not speaking lowly of Denard, its speaking highly of what Devine is capable of.

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Devine was so talented. I thought he was the next big thing after his first season at WVU.
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If Tavon Austin didn't play with Geno Smith nor Stedman Bailey, he wouldn't be getting the type he's gotten.

If he wasn't a 1st rounder last year why is he one this year?
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He certainly is not going to replicate his big-play ability he had in college. It just doesn't happen. He can't play outside; strictly a slot WR to run screens with. He is a good player but now some saying top 10? I wonder how Goodwin would have faired in WVU offense?
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He certainly is not going to replicate his big-play ability he had in college. It just doesn't happen. He can't play outside; strictly a slot WR to run screens with. He is a good player but now some saying top 10? I wonder how Goodwin would have faired in WVU offense?
Goodwin is a body catcher and is a long strider even though he is short. Much different from Austin, who is a short strider with quick steps.
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If Tavon Austin didn't play with Geno Smith nor Stedman Bailey, he wouldn't be getting the type he's gotten.

If he wasn't a 1st rounder last year why is he one this year?
LOL. Oh man. Now wait a minute. Everyone says that Geno wouldn't have put up the numbers he did without Tavon and Stedman on his team over in the Geno thread. And now this? This is great. So, if I'm following along here, it's really Stedman Bailey that was the main reason Geno and Tavon looked so good in college, right? He is the key!
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its an interesting question

Devine was more of a running back but the physical similarities are striking. Austin had way more receiving production but then again he had a much better QB throwing to him.

Both around 5'8" - 5'9" in height.

Tavon Austin

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To answer the OP. Noel got injured and didn't have as good of a Senior year. He was signed and quit on the Eagles. Never to be heard from again.

I don't usually buy into these smaller type players, but Tavon is different. This guy just has it. He's got the attitude and confidence of a 6'3 220 lb WR. He'll succeed in the NFL. I've never said he'd go top 10. I see him going in the 20's.
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To answer the OP. Noel got injured and didn't have as good of a Senior year. He was signed and quit on the Eagles. Never to be heard from again.

I don't usually buy into these smaller type players, but Tavon is different. This guy just has it. He's got the attitude and confidence of a 6'3 220 lb WR. He'll succeed in the NFL. I've never said he'd go top 10. I see him going in the 20's.
Devine is now in the CFL. Take a look at this footage. This is exactly how Austin will be utilized in the NFL.

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LOL. Oh man. Now wait a minute. Everyone says that Geno wouldn't have put up the numbers he did without Tavon and Stedman on his team over in the Geno thread. And now this? This is great. So, if I'm following along here, it's really Stedman Bailey that was the main reason Geno and Tavon looked so good in college, right? He is the key!
I'm not talking about numbers. I'm talking about hype and draft stock. Austin's numbers aren't significantly better/different than last season. If he had declared last season he wouldn't have been a 1st rounder. Tell me why is he a 1st rounder this season?
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I'm not talking about numbers. I'm talking about hype and draft stock. Austin's numbers aren't significantly better/different than last season. If he had declared last season he wouldn't have been a 1st rounder. Tell me why is he a 1st rounder this season?
Because this year he proved that last year was no fluke. He showed up in big games, in every game, really. He had 100 all-purpose yards every week, and 200 all-purpose yards 6 times. Put up over 500 all-purpose yards against Oklahoma, who finished the year ranked #15. What's more, I think scouts and coaches have found that he is a really good kid who works really hard and believe that he will be a player for a long time.
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No NCAA player replicates the big plays they have in college. NFL is a different game. I just don't see anything in Tavon Austin that you could not find in another guy. Noel Devine was a perfect example. Goodwin will easily could produce the same as Austin if a team utilizes him as much and after a season or two. Whatever, I hope my home team doesn't draft him in the first. Would rather have Denard or Goodwin later on. Austin's projected draft spot is hinging on his big play ability, which don't happen as often in the NFL. I put him as 2nd round grade.

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No NCAA player replicates the big plays they have in college. NFL is a different game. I just don't see anything in Tavon Austin that you could not find in another guy. Noel Devine was a perfect example. Goodwin will easily could produce the same as Austin if a team utilizes him as much and after a season or two. Whatever, I hope my home team doesn't draft him in the first. Would rather have Denard or Goodwin later on. Austin's projected draft spot is hinging on his big play ability, which don't happen as often in the NFL. I put him as 2nd round grade.
Goodwin is more like DeSean Jackson/Jacoby Ford. His speed translates better downfield than Austin does. Austin is a better ball carrier. Goodwin would only be good on sweeps and end-arounds.
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Goodwin is more like DeSean Jackson/Jacoby Ford. His speed translates better downfield than Austin does. Austin is a better ball carrier. Goodwin would only be good on sweeps and end-arounds.
I watched in person that end around he took in from like 80 yards out against Ole Miss this year. I have never seen somebody run so fast in my entire life.
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Goodwin is more like DeSean Jackson/Jacoby Ford. His speed translates better downfield than Austin does. Austin is a better ball carrier. Goodwin would only be good on sweeps and end-arounds.
If the pros thought for a moment that Goodwin's speed translated well to the NFL, he'd be getting 1st round talk. Goodwin isn't a football player, he's a track guy who tries to play football and doesn't do it too well.
Austin's only problem on a football field is his size, because of it he can only play the slot which limits his value to a football team.
Not only could 1 hit end his career rather quickly, QB's will have a hard time finding him over tall linemen and he isa useless as a bloicker, that will severely limit his effectiveness at the next level.
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I don't get the Austin love. I think he's a very poor man's Percy Harvin, draft prospect wise, and Harvin went #22 overall I believe. I wouldn't touch Austin until the 3rd and even then, only if I was prepared to really build a gameplan to suit his unique (/limited) skillset. Harvin was unqiue for not only his speed but his ability to really become a running back once you got him the ball, I've always thought the way he caught the ball and immediately turned into a slashing running back was utterly unique. Austin is just a very small but elusive and fast receiver.

Keenan Allen is the best WR in this draft, in my opinion. Patterson reminds me a lot of Robert Meachem coming out.
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I don't get the Austin love. I think he's a very poor man's Percy Harvin, draft prospect wise, and Harvin went #22 overall I believe. I wouldn't touch Austin until the 3rd and even then, only if I was prepared to really build a gameplan to suit his unique (/limited) skillset. Harvin was unqiue for not only his speed but his ability to really become a running back once you got him the ball, I've always thought the way he caught the ball and immediately turned into a slashing running back was utterly unique. Austin is just a very small but elusive and fast receiver.

Keenan Allen is the best WR in this draft, in my opinion. Patterson reminds me a lot of Robert Meachem coming out.
Harvin would have went higher had he not failed the drug test at the combine. Before that, there was talk of him going in or around the top 10. Not saying I disagree with you, just that your comparison there is weak.
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Harvin would have went higher had he not failed the drug test at the combine. Before that, there was talk of him going in or around the top 10. Not saying I disagree with you, just that your comparison there is weak.
Fair enough. If I remember correctly, that was also the draft with Crabtree, Maclin, Britt and Nicks in it (...although none of those were the first WR to be picked, silly Raiders) so he dropped a bit due to teams valuing Crabtree, Maclin and DHB more for various reasons.

Still, he was a much better prospect in my opinion.
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Don't get all the poormouthing of Tavon Austin.

I think Austin is going to be an amazing pro at the next level.
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