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Old 12-25-2013, 12:02 PM    (permalink
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Default Christian Hackenberg, QB, Penn St. (2016 NFL Draft)

I wanted to know your thoughts on Christian Hackenberg from Penn St. He seems as though he has all of the physical attributes to be the #1 overall pick in 2016. Do you think it's a lock that he is the #1 overall pick in 2016 or does he have a lot to work on. How would you compare him to past top QB prospects?
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Probably still too early to say anything difinitive about how high he'll be drafted but he looks the part of a top 5 type player. Prerequisite size at around 6-4 and 220 and probably will fill out some more as time goes on.

I'd like to see Bill O'brien stay there for at least another couple of years and work with this guy to help him reach his full potential. The obvious Tom Brady comparison is going to be there because of the throwing style and the coach but could easily see Hackenberg reach that Andrew Luck area as far as a prospect goes.
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ESPN recently put out its top players not eligible for the 2014 draft. Hackenberg was #11 and the #2 QB behind Winston.

But they summarized Hackenberg very well:

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11. Christian Hackenberg, QB, Penn State Nittany Lions
True freshman | 6-4, 220 pounds
Hackenberg has been exceptionally well-coached by Bill O'Brien this season, and he has made noticeable improvement with his decision-making skills and consistency of mechanics throughout the season. He stands tall in the pocket and goes through his progressions quickly (especially for a true freshman), has a relatively compact and very quick delivery, and generates very good velocity on deep outs.

He appears to be more comfortable throwing the ball outside the numbers at this point, and his trajectory and placement on seam routes will need to improve. When he misses, he tends to be high, a result of not fully transferring his weight from back to front. Once he gets better at that, not only will his accuracy improve, but he'll be able to get more speed on his fastball. He also needs to work on speeding up his mental clock [poster's note: Hackenberg really improved on this late in the season], processing post-snap information better and getting the ball out more quickly.

Hackenberg's toughness is really impressive, and he doesn't hang his head after mistakes.
He's also a much better athlete than a stereotypical pro-style college QB usually is. .
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If Jameis Winston doesn't go pro next year there is no chance he doesn't go #1 in 2016.
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If Jameis Winston doesn't go pro next year there is no chance he doesn't go #1 in 2016.
I am hoping Hack sticks around for 4 years. Goes 1st in 2017
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how did he develop last year?
his stats look kind of terrible
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how did he develop last year?
his stats look kind of terrible
At times he was helpless playing behind a god awful OL and at other times he was dreadful and there was no excusing his play. But he's still very young and people expected too much of him too soon. Keep in mind he was playing in a new system too. All the tools are there though, but his career needs to play out before anointing him as a top of the draft guy. He still has work to do, I wanna see him stay the 4 years so he's fully developed before going into the NFL.
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He'd be gone if he could leave now. He kind of redeemed himself in the bowl game so there is a pretty good carry over there to next season. His supporting cast was terrible, that and his play led to a subpar season by his standards. He's still looking like the top QB for the 2016 draft to me.
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This kid got screwed by the coaching change.
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He looked like Jay Cutler this year. Not all on him, his OL was terrible and he's pretty immobile. The skill position players were built for an offense that needs to stretch the field but the terrible OL made it impossible for the offense to have time to develop plays. Losing the only two competent OL on the team to the NFL makes next year look grimm. Good chance he's already got David Carr syndrome. His NFL prospects lie pretty much entirely on whether the OL takes a significant step forward or not.
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how did he develop last year?
his stats look kind of terrible
I wasn't impressed with the Maryland game.
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I go to about half of the PSU home games and watch the rest on tv. He really missed having O'Brien around. Tactically. And, I believe emotionally. He could have gone to Alabama. The biggest reason he came to PSU was because of a strong connection with O'Brien who left for the NFL. I don't feel he's connected with the new staff. He has said differently. But, sometimes he had poor body language.

The new staff doesn't know how to run a NFL offense. He was checking off more at the end of 2013. Check the Nebraska and Wisconsin games out. Than he did in 2014. The TE's weren't involved in the offense like they were under O'Brien. OL and RB's were at a MAC level. The receivers are talented. But, very raw. I don't think it's a lock he declares for the 2016 draft. He put some pretty poor film out there this year. Sloppy mechanics, accuracy issues at times and poor body language. Big year for him this fall.
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The TEs weren't involved in the offense because they were too busy covering for a terrible OL (which actually jelled somewhat in the 2nd half of the year).

Hackenburg got sacked 44 times and it got to his head, which led to poor mechanics and frustration.

That said, it'll all be good for him going into 2015 as his freshman year he had things too easy. In 2013 he had a great OL (3 that will be on NFL rosters in 2015, possibly 4), and had a 2nd round draft pick bailing him out at WR.

He looked like that #1 draft pick in the bowl game. If he has a good year in 2015, I fully expect him to enter the draft.

He's also a lot more athletic than anyone gives him credit for.
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I think he'll build on that bowl game, have a solid 2015 season and then enter the draft. He's still a top qb prospect.
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@Grizzlegom "He looked like Jay Cutler this year."
Thank you! That's the exact comparison I was making all year lol incredible how much going from O'Brien to Franklin hurt this kid. James Franklin is seriously one of the worst play callers I have ever watched in my life. Worse than the ginger who was calling plays before he got exposed as an even worse person than play caller!
I will say this though, Hackenberg has all of the physical tools to be a stud QB. Size, arm, competitive, good competition, etc. That leads me to believe that if he can turn himself around this coming season, there is no reason not to think that this kid can't still be a first round pick.
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Someone has to break the 1st round Big ten QB streak(20 years).

I mean, we do have Brees,Wilson and Brady, but still...
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Someone has to break the 1st round Big ten QB streak(20 years).

I mean, we do have Brees,Wilson and Brady, but still...
Blame Cardale for not coming out!
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. James Franklin is seriously one of the worst play callers I have ever watched in my life..
Your playcalling is limited when you have to have a RB and 1 or 2 TEs in to block on any given play.
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He looked like Jay Cutler this year. Not all on him, his OL was terrible and he's pretty immobile. The skill position players were built for an offense that needs to stretch the field but the terrible OL made it impossible for the offense to have time to develop plays. Losing the only two competent OL on the team to the NFL makes next year look grimm. Good chance he's already got David Carr syndrome. His NFL prospects lie pretty much entirely on whether the OL takes a significant step forward or not.
I think you first heard that from me, haha. My Penn State friends don't appreciate that comparison and I've been making it since last year...

But he moves like Cutler. He's built like Cutler. He has an arm like Cutler. He makes Cutler-esque bat **** insane decisions.
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I'd heard Cutler comparisons when he was a senior in high school.
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Hackenberg's footwork went to absolute **** this year, don't know if Franklin teaches it that way...but it was ******* garbage.
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Hackenberg's footwork went to absolute **** this year, don't know if Franklin teaches it that way...but it was ******* garbage.
It had nothing to do with Franklin. It had everything to do with getting the crap beat out of him every game by opposing defenders.
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So, no one learned from the Jake Locker?
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Originally Posted by Babylon View Post
Or Robert Griffin.
Griffin is in the league and was rookie of the year after being a great college player. Locker wasn't **** in college and it out of the league. There is no comparison.
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Kaepernick is this years pat white. Thin, gimmick offense and doesn't possess an nfl arm. The ncaa constantly regurgitates clones of past players and amazingly enough, tricks some people into thinking they're better than their cloned half. Kaepernick was a complete waste of a senior bowl qb spot. A better qb will come from the east/west shrine or whatever they're calling it now...count on it

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