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Old 04-15-2013, 09:15 PM    (permalink
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There's plenty of pass-rushing variety in this year's draft class, with ten players or so expected to go in the top two rounds. How do you have the top pass rushers in this class ranked?

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E. Ansah, C. Carradine, M. Hunt, D. Jones, J. Jones, D. Jordan, C. Lemonier, B. Mingo, S. Montgomery, D. Moore, A. Okafor, B. Werner
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Left off Jarvis Jones and Jamie Collins who apparently is the new chosen one according to some analysts.

I don't love ALL the pash rushers in this class but it is definitely a very strong one if your team is in the market for one. ie. Buffalo.

Jarvis Jones is still # 1 imo.
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Of those guys...

1. Dion Jordan
2. Barkevious Mingo
3. Jarvis Jones
4. Cornellius Carradine
5. Ezekial Ansah
6. Bjoern Werner
7. Damontre Moore
8. Sam Montgomery
9. Alex Okafor
10. Datone Jones
11. Margus Hunt
12. Corey Lemonier
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Dion Jordan can't rush the passer so he should be left out.
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I hate to say it, but Okafor is probably my favorite pass rusher in this class.
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I think he is pretty underrated.
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My bad, I accidentally listed Jordan twice instead of Jones and Jordan.
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I just watched a made for TV skills challenge this weekend(typical obstacle course stuff)that included Sam Montgomery, Okafor and Damontre Moore.

Moore was faster and quicker than both players. Plus Damontre is a VERY large man, big frame. He's a top 4-5 pass rusher in this class IMO.
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I just watched a made for TV skills challenge this weekend(typical obstacle course stuff)that included Sam Montgomery, Okafor and Damontre Moore.

Moore was faster and quicker than both players. Plus Damontre is a VERY large man, big frame. He's a top 4-5 pass rusher in this class IMO.
His bench press still baffles me. How can you be so big and have no power like that?
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I'm confused as to why Sam Montgomery is listed as an option.
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I'm confused as to why Sam Montgomery is listed as an option.
He's a good player. The character concerns which have emerged during the pre-draft process are certainly worrisome, but nonetheless he has good size and length, is an adequate athlete, and has been productive against the highest level of competition. If he fails, it will probably be for reasons unrelated to talent. I personally find it pretty difficult to evaluate him because I like what I see on tape, but obviously we can't really get to know him aside from by watching and reading interviews.
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My rankings

1. D. Jordan
2. J. Jones
3. B. Werner
4. A. Okafor
5. B. Mingo
6. E. Ansah
7. C. Carradine
8. D. Moore
9. D. Jones
10. C. Lemonier
11. M. Hunt
12. S. Montgomery
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Are we just ranking them based on their ability to pass rush? Because if that's the case the two Jordan #1s are laughable. He may be the worst of all of them at rushing the passer...

Edit: at second glance I saw hunt is on the list, so I guess Jordan can't be the worst at rushing but close!
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1. Carradine
2. Mingo
3. J Jones
4. Moore
5. Lemonier
6. Jordan
7. Okafor
8. D Jones
9. Werner
10. Ansah
11. Hunt
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Dion Jordan can't rush the passer so he should be left out.
Can't, or won't?
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Can't it be both?

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My favorite of all the pass rushers in this class is Bjoern Werner.. dude is an absolute clone of Vanden Bosch. He should have a long productive career.
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As far as impacts as pass rushers I would go;

Tank Carradine
Ezekiel Ansah
Barkevious Mingo
Bjoern Werner
Jarvis Jones
Alex Okafor
Corey Lemonier
Sam Montgomery
Datone Jones
Dion Jordan
Margus Hunt

Jordan is one of my favourite prospects but he isn't a top pass rusher. He has the physical skill set but he hasn't shown the production to be included with the top pass rushers, and if he is drafted as a pass rusher he will disappoint, especially early. However he offers so much more as an edge player.

Tank Carradine is the best pass rusher in this class. He has good explosion (not great) but fantastic hand use and knows how to set up OTs. Ansah has an unreal burst and closing speed although needs to work on his technique.

I'm not sure I see a dominant double digit sack guy in this class, however it is full of very good players who could be excellent if in the right situation. If I was to guess right now who the best pass rusher will be in 4 years I would say Mingo but there is every chance he could flame out
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Cornellius Washington. Remember the name.

He's the guy who's gonna have everyone saying 6 months from now: How did we miss this guy?
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He's the guy who's gonna have everyone saying 6 months from now: How did we miss this guy?
I'll be surprised if Washington doesn't go in the first two rounds.
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I'll be surprised if Washington doesn't go in the first two rounds.
He'll definitely fall into the second, I wouldn't be surprised if someone picks him then. Certainly a great athlete, but all the criticisms regarding lack of production and unrefined pass rushing technique some people toss towards Dion Jordan apply to him as well. Albeit, Washington had even fewer pass rushing opportunities than Jordan did.
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I don't think he goes in the 2nd. In fact, he might not even go in the 3rd. I think he's a mid 3rd rounder, might fall to the 4th.

If you look at where he's ranked amongst pass rushers, there's a good 10 guys ahead of him on most lists. I just don't see how he goes in the 2nd round with that many pass rushers in front of him.
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This is how I project them for the NFL:

Jarvis Jones
Corey Lemonier
Alex Okafor
Bjorn Werner
Cornelius Carradine
Ezekiel Ansah
Dion Jordan
Barkevious Mingo
Datone Jones
Margus Hunt
Demontre Moore
Sam Montgomery
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