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Old 04-05-2007, 09:15 PM    (permalink
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Ok I'm done talking about this, you've already brought up a generally irrelivant point.

Grossman is not on the hot seat because of the Superbowl. Yes he's on the hotseat, but it has very little to do with that.
And yet half the articles that appeared after the SB were "Grossman for MVP," showcasing my point...

As I said...They DIDN'T have a feasible chance of winning, because on that day, they weren't doing SQUAT. If they play 10 games, the Bears will win some. But they came in that day unprepared with a bad gameplan and even worse execution. A few big plays kept them in the game, nothing more.
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And for that matter, would you honestly say you'd prefer to have Rex than Brady Quinn hiking the ball for you??
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And for that matter, would you honestly say you'd prefer to have Rex than Brady Quinn hiking the ball for you??
Both are young QB's with a lot of potential. How is a rookie QB going to do us any better in the short term.

Grossman got us to the Superbowl, he had a passer rating over 70. He threw for over 3,000 yards and close to 30 touchdowns. I don't believe any rookie QB will do that this year.

Do I love him longterm? Not at this point. But I don't think there's a better option out there for next year than Grossman/Griese.
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Both are young QB's with a lot of potential. How is a rookie QB going to do us any better in the short term.

Grossman got us to the Superbowl, he had a passer rating over 70. He threw for over 3,000 yards and close to 30 touchdowns. I don't believe any rookie QB will do that this year.

Do I love him longterm? Not at this point. But I don't think there's a better option out there for next year than Grossman/Griese.
Well technically, he had 23 TDs and 20 interceptions in the regular season, and 3 of each in the playoffs...IDK about you, but I don't want any quarterback which throws as many INTs as TDs.

Jay Cutler came in his rookie year and put up great numbers. 9 TDs, 5 INTs, 88.5 rating, and only played 5 games. He basically put up 2 TDs and an INT a game. Not bad for a rookie. Will Brady Quinn put up the same? Well maybe not, but it's definitely a possibility.
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Well technically, he had 23 TDs and 20 interceptions in the regular season, and 3 of each in the playoffs...IDK about you, but I don't want any quarterback which throws as many INTs as TDs.

Jay Cutler came in his rookie year and put up great numbers. 9 TDs, 5 INTs, 88.5 rating, and only played 5 games. He basically put up 2 TDs and an INT a game. Not bad for a rookie. Will Brady Quinn put up the same? Well maybe not, but it's definitely a possibility.
You really can't use 5 games as an accurate example. Hell Grossman had a 2-1 TD/INT ratio in the 3 games he started too. Would he have had that sustained success if he was the starter from week 1? Probably not.

Most rookie QB's struggle if they start from the first game. Some of that has to do with the fact that they are usually on lousy teams, but some of it has to do with the fact that it takes a year or two of experience to adjust. Grossman needs that grace period as well, and he's gotten it, which is why this year is the hotseat year for him.

I wouldn't be against Quinn if we were drafting at #6, but given our current situation it wouldn't be a very practicle move. It doesn't make sense to give up on Grossman after a 20-25 games starting.
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Fair 'nuff. I respect your dedication to the guy, if I was a Bears fan I'd have thrown him under the bus months ago.
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I think Eli is #1, he has to prove that he can lead NY to the playoffs w/o Tiki
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how are J.P. Losman and Big Ben on the "hot seat"?? that doesn't make any sense.

If Big Ben has a 2nd down year in a row, he'll be coming up on his contract opt out clause and the Steelers will have no reason to think he'll turn it around.

The Bills are obviously rebuilding, and Losman having a down year won't put his job in jeopardy?
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I'd give Losman a break. With McGahee gone, he really only has Evans...

They are in a rebuilding stage.
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Rex Grossman is on that list?



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being a jets fan, i think chad pennington is on a "warm" seat- he's got all the tools this year, no more excuses, especially with Kellen Clemens waiting in the wings, I love Chad tho.
Chad would have to be pretty terrible to lose the job. I love Penny myself, but he's more likely to lose his job through injury than through being on the hotseat.
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WATCH OUT! Don't talk about that! You don't want bearsfan_51 on your case!
I've been Grossman's biggest critic for since about 2004. I'm just sick of your pointless rambling about the Superbowl when it's not at all relavent. Then again I've read some of your other posts and I'm starting to lean towards the fact that you're under the age of 16. Jim Drunkenmiller as a top 10 prospect? Wha?
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I've been Grossman's biggest critic for since about 2004. I'm just sick of your pointless rambling about the Superbowl when it's not at all relavent. Then again I've read some of your other posts and I'm starting to lean towards the fact that you're under the age of 16. Jim Drunkenmiller as a top 10 prospect? Wha?
I'll be 18 on the 25th, actually, but close. Also, it's silly to argue over the topic of top prospects...it all depends on your critique of what a top "prospect" is.
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I can see why Michael Vick made the list but why in god's name is Rex Grossman on that list. He single-handedly lead the Bears to the superbowl. He had very little help from the defense [/sarcasm]
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I can see why Michael Vick made the list but why in god's name is Rex Grossman on that list. He single-handedly lead the Bears to the superbowl. He had very little help from the defense [/sarcasm]
Rex is the gunslinging version of Ben Roethlisberger. Carried to the big game by his D.
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1. Cutler- This makes absolutely no sense

2. Donovan McNabb- semi, but he was playing well before his injury.

3. Rex Grossman- Obviously

4. Michael Vick- Also pretty obvious now that Schaub's gone, a lot of pressure is on him to perform and stay healthy.

5. Eli Manning- Another mediocre season from him might be enough to start some grumbling from Giants fans.

1 and 2 need to be replaced with other players, I would put
1. Matt Schaub- doesn't have much experience, but is going to a team with a sub-par offensive line, to a city where the fans are tired of qb's not getting it done.
2. Charlie Frye- if they don't draft a qb to replace him, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Browns get rid of him.

Then the rest of the list is good.
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1. Cutler- This makes absolutely no sense

2. Donovan McNabb- semi, but he was playing well before his injury.

3. Rex Grossman- Obviously

4. Michael Vick- Also pretty obvious now that Schaub's gone, a lot of pressure is on him to perform and stay healthy.

5. Eli Manning- Another mediocre season from him might be enough to start some grumbling from Giants fans.

1 and 2 need to be replaced with other players, I would put
1. Matt Schaub- doesn't have much experience, but is going to a team with a sub-par offensive line, to a city where the fans are tired of qb's not getting it done.
2. Charlie Frye- if they don't draft a qb to replace him, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Browns get rid of him.

Then the rest of the list is good.
Byron Leftwich is on one of the hottest seats in the NFL as well.
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5. Eli Manning- Another mediocre season from him might be enough to start some grumbling from Giants fans.

Start? I think there is already some of that already. Another mediocre season and the proverbial "seat" will flair white hot. Same with Rex Grossman, same with Michael Vick. I think those three are heads and shoulders above every other QB, in regards to pressure to perform.
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Cutler?

He was statisticaly one of the top quarterbacks in the league over the last 5 games, he came in the middle of a playoff run and preformed, thats just idiotic to say he is on the hot seat
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I agree with everyone else that said Jay Cutler being on the list, let alone #1, is ridiculous. I would think Jon Kitna, Dante Culpepper, Charlie Frye, Steve McNair, Jake Delhomme, JP Losman, and/or a couple others would be much higher on the depth chart...
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Where's Byron?

I'm a big supporter of him. But seriously... it's make or break time for him.
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Chris SImms should be up there
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