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Old 09-16-2013, 03:12 PM    (permalink
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i think the story of the game was the seahawks had success running the ball, and the niners did not. Both teams were having a hard time passing the ball, but the Seahawks were able to build off the run actions, while the Niners just kept getting put in 3rd and longs. I thought Gore would be able to have a good game, and I thought the SEA OL would look overmatched and Lynch wouldnt find running room, but they did a great job running the ball, even without okung, The 49ers were forced to crash in to stop the power running game and that set it up for Wilson to bootleg and have space to operate...the opposite was true for the Niners. Kaepernick tried to move around and make plays, but he also had a group of guys harassing him, in part because they didnt have to respect the run game. definitely a big win for seattle, they looked real tough last night. winning in seattle is gonna be hard for everyone.
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i think the story of the game was the seahawks had success running the ball, and the niners did not. Both teams were having a hard time passing the ball, but the Seahawks were able to build off the run actions, while the Niners just kept getting put in 3rd and longs. I thought Gore would be able to have a good game, and I thought the SEA OL would look overmatched and Lynch wouldnt find running room, but they did a great job running the ball, even without okung, The 49ers were forced to crash in to stop the power running game and that set it up for Wilson to bootleg and have space to operate...the opposite was true for the Niners. Kaepernick tried to move around and make plays, but he also had a group of guys harassing him, in part because they didnt have to respect the run game. definitely a big win for seattle, they looked real tough last night. winning in seattle is gonna be hard for everyone.
Pretty much agree. Harbaugh just put too much of the game on Kaepernick's shoulders and when he has to do too much it isn't going to work. He could get away with it against the Green Bay defense but not Seattle's. I was pretty shocked they went away from Gore so much.
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I don't really think the Niners game plan was the issue.

They couldn't run, they couldn't pass. No receivers got open against Seattle's secondary. The OL was unable to pass protect.

It was just full-fledged out-executing by the Seahawks D against the Niners O. No game plan would've changed the fact they were severely outmatched in the passing game.

It wasn't like they abandoned the run like the Jets on Thursday - they had no run to abandon.

So they put it on Kaep and no one was open all night. And he was pressured.

Just a beat-down by a *gulp* better team. More talent and matches up better. Niners don't have the personnel to out-physical Seattle like they do everyone else. And they sure as hell don't have the receviers to win agianst SEA's secondary.

They'll make tweaks to how they attack the Hawks press coverage, but the bottom line is that it's on the 49ers players to execute better. Blocking, tackling, route-running.

The Niners D wasn't bad at all.
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Pretty much agree. Harbaugh just put too much of the game on Kaepernick's shoulders and when he has to do too much it isn't going to work. He could get away with it against the Green Bay defense but not Seattle's. I was pretty shocked they went away from Gore so much.
That's bc Gore is quietly washed up. He doesn't look the same. And he's on the wrong side of 30.

Oh and the backup RBs behind him stink.
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That's bc Gore is quietly washed up. He doesn't look the same. And he's on the wrong side of 30.

Oh and the backup RBs behind him stink.
What? That's simply not true. The runningbacks have had no holes to run through. And Kendall Hunter sucks? Since when? Watch both of the first games again. There have been no running lanes. Gore and Hunter have had no chance. And this isn't the first time Gore has started slow. He's done this a couple of times and finished the year strong. His struggles this season have had nothing to do with his age. Saying Gore is done right now is like saying Eli Manning is over the hill. It's really just a lazy, out of context way to look at the situation.
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I don't really think the Niners game plan was the issue.

They couldn't run, they couldn't pass. No receivers got open against Seattle's secondary. The OL was unable to pass protect.

It was just full-fledged out-executing by the Seahawks D against the Niners O. No game plan would've changed the fact they were severely outmatched in the passing game.

It wasn't like they abandoned the run like the Jets on Thursday - they had no run to abandon.

So they put it on Kaep and no one was open all night. And he was pressured.

Just a beat-down by a *gulp* better team. More talent and matches up better. Niners don't have the personnel to out-physical Seattle like they do everyone else. And they sure as hell don't have the receviers to win agianst SEA's secondary.

They'll make tweaks to how they attack the Hawks press coverage, but the bottom line is that it's on the 49ers players to execute better. Blocking, tackling, route-running.

The Niners D wasn't bad at all.
Well it will be interesting to see when the Seahawks come here. It ain't over yet baby.
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I don't think Gore is done yet....but if he does continue to be ineffective, it might have to become LaMichael time...
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Gore is fine. Is he a top 10 RB? No, but it's not like he is Isaac Redman out there. He still has ability and is reliable, he just won't bust huge plays or be able to tote the rock 20 times every game. How he had only 10 touches surprises me.
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I don't really think the Niners game plan was the issue.

They couldn't run, they couldn't pass. No receivers got open against Seattle's secondary. The OL was unable to pass protect.

It was just full-fledged out-executing by the Seahawks D against the Niners O. No game plan would've changed the fact they were severely outmatched in the passing game.

It wasn't like they abandoned the run like the Jets on Thursday - they had no run to abandon.

So they put it on Kaep and no one was open all night. And he was pressured.

Just a beat-down by a *gulp* better team. More talent and matches up better. Niners don't have the personnel to out-physical Seattle like they do everyone else. And they sure as hell don't have the receviers to win agianst SEA's secondary.

They'll make tweaks to how they attack the Hawks press coverage, but the bottom line is that it's on the 49ers players to execute better. Blocking, tackling, route-running.
Except that Kaep had more time to throw on average than any other QB yesterday. 3.62 seconds.

He had all night. The problem is that the 49ers used slow-developing routes, with slower receivers against the most physical CBs in the NFL.

The 49ers O-Line is far more physical than Seattle's front-7. But instead of utilizing power formations and north-south- runs with quick, gap 'n go responsibilities, they get cute and make a million shifts at the line and run misdirections and slow-developing R/O runs against the fast front-7.

There's a reason Alex Smith's 49ers do well against the Seahawks and Kaep's 49ers do not.

And it surely has nothing to do with talent at QB.

It's gameplan all day.


Don't get me wrong. The Seahawks absolutely deserved to win quite handily. It's just frustrating to see the 49ers' offensive gameplan play right into the strengths of an absolutely gifted defense.
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49ers recievers just got shut down and they couldn't run the ball. Seattle handled their home game. The Seattle secondary was all over everything. Sherman was a star.

I wasn't real impressed with either QB. Kaep had nothing to work with and tried to fall back on running which didn't really work, and Wilson was okay and rode Beast Mode like he should have.
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That's bc Gore is quietly washed up. He doesn't look the same. And he's on the wrong side of 30.

Oh and the backup RBs behind him stink.
The 49ers have NEVER (aside from the Green Bay playoff game) run well out of the pistol and R/O looks. Teams simply blitz the gaps, leaving no lanes to operate.

They are a power running team. They run best out of traditional sets, with pay-action scattered in.

Why Roman decided to use almost exclusively pistol and R/O looks is beyond me.


Yeah, I bet most NFL teams would hate to have a RB stable of Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter, LaMichael James, and Anthony Dixon.
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It would become Kendall Hunter time. LaMichael James hasn't even been activated for either game this season.
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Except that Kaep had more time to throw on average than any other QB yesterday. 3.62 seconds.

He had all night. The problem is that the 49ers used slow-developing routes, with slower receivers against the most physical CBs in the NFL.

The 49ers O-Line is far more physical than Seattle's front-7. But instead of utilizing power formations and north-south- runs with quick, gap 'n go responsibilities, they get cute and make a million shifts at the line and run misdirections and slow-developing R/O runs against the fast front-7.

There's a reason Alex Smith's 49ers do well against the Seahawks and Kaep's 49ers do not.

And it surely has nothing to do with talent at QB.

It's gameplan all day.


Don't get me wrong. The Seahawks absolutely deserved to win quite handily. It's just frustrating to see the 49ers' offensive gameplan play right into the strengths of an absolutely gifted defense.
You came away from that game thinking Kaep had all night? lolwut? I think you can figure out why that stat is what it is. Because of plays like the gif below, the fact that they were throwing exclusively down the field with no quick hitters whatseover and no one was open so Kaep was running around in the pocket, and most importantlythe fact that Seattle's secondary was splendid.

3 sacks, a FF, and 5 QB hits. Kaep was off his spot because of a good pass rush. Not on every single play, but he did not have all night. It was a great showing by the pass rush. No team realistically gets a rush on every single snap - that's not how this league works.

As for the 49ers OL being FAR more physical than Seattle's front 7... yeah... what? lol

Anthony Davis had a **** game. The whole line did. There was no gameplan that was going to win them that game with the players outclassed like that.

It's always the OC's fault or some ****. As if the days of legwork on how to attack that team mean nothing, but you were able to diagnose and figure out how to have success based on watching the broadcast. It would be one thing if they had some success with something and went away from it. But they just couldn't do ****. Nothing an OC can do if his receivers simiply can't get open because the DBs are too good.

Tough to admit one team was just way better.

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It would become Kendall Hunter time. LaMichael James hasn't even been activated for either game this season.
I know Kendall Hunter is there.....I just .....refuse to recognize him sometimes. I'm sorry.
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It would become Kendall Hunter time. LaMichael James hasn't even been activated for either game this season.
And for those that don't know, he hasn't been activated because he's been injured. Although James is still our 3rd best RB.
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It's always the coordinator's fault when things don't go well.

How about just accepting that the 49ers offense got severely out-played?
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it wasnt the coordinators fault. seahawks defense just outmatched and outplayed niners offense. took away things the niners are usually able to do (run with gore, read option, etc.) and that made the niners offense really predictable. then what do you do? start an aerial attack against the best secondary in football? nope.
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The 49ers have NEVER (aside from the Green Bay playoff game) run well out of the pistol and R/O looks. Teams simply blitz the gaps, leaving no lanes to operate.

They are a power running team. They run best out of traditional sets, with pay-action scattered in.

Why Roman decided to use almost exclusively pistol and R/O looks is beyond me.


Yeah, I bet most NFL teams would hate to have a RB stable of Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter, LaMichael James, and Anthony Dixon.
They ran well against Atlanta in the playoffs with those looks. Other than that it hasn't been that profound in terms of producing high rushing yardage totals from the backs.
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It's always the coordinator's fault when things don't go well.

How about just accepting that the 49ers offense got severely out-played?
It was everyone's fault. Coordinator included.
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On this night you all were better. Good win. It's a long season.

See you in San Francisco. I think we'll hold serve.
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As the guy who started this thread, because I am positive this is the NFL's best 1-2 divisional combo, I have to admit I wasn't surprised by last night's result in Seattle, and my Bovada betting account concurs.

Now, how could Seattle totally put the clamps on the same offense that Kaepernick torched (via the air) the Packers the week before?

Well, Dom Capers has a lot to do with that.

Seattle has good guys at all levels on defense, but they also have a smart scheme and execute it.

The Packers last week made sure Kaepernick & Lil Frank didn't carve them up on the ground like they did in January.
GB had some new bodies, and a new scheme, and they succeeded in that goal that they worked on for 8 months to stop.

But they forgot that Kaepernick is a good passer too. He's not Vince Young or Akili Smith or Dennis Dixon. He can pass.

Seattle has that figured out, and has the pair of safeties and the great large corner to match up on Anquan Boldin.

This result was actually closer than late last season's game in Seattle.
When these two teams meet again in the Bay Area in week 14 (why is it not week 16 NFL?) it will be another close game that could go either way.

They say the home field advantage is typically worth about 3 points.
In Seattle, it's worth about 10. 17 if Lance Easley has a whistle.
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its clear san fran doesn't match up well with seattle. especially at seattle. i think we have a decent chance at home, but at their place they just outclass us from top to bottom.

i think its arguable which team is better, when comparing rosters. head to head, seattle wins out.

also, kind of funny how the pre-game talk was about kaep vs wilson, yet both were big non factors last night. the defenses were the real story of the game, and seattle's defense just stifled an offense that gained 500 yards last week.
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