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Old 06-19-2013, 05:32 PM    (permalink
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What? This is not remotely an issue of "waiting to hear what the actual guidelines were from MS". In this particular case, MS clear delineated what the guidelines were. There was no ambiguity about the fact that for instance you would have to check in once every 24 hours. Microsoft clearly stated that was a requirement, they clearly stated that they had no intention to change, and there were no details of that requirement left to guessing. You can't now say, "yeah, well, we were planning to wait for them to completely reverse their policies all along!"
Not what I said. Not even close. What i was referencing was our comments about the used game policy (which youve already proven you didn't have a handle on pages ago when you for some reason tried calling me out, after I had posted numerous links, pre and post interjection, but I digress). I'm not going to repost everything Ive already said in this thread because you didn't read it the first time....or are apparently continuing to not read presently.

Youre literally not even grasping at straws here.
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If this doesn't sway more people to buy an XBone then there's literally no reason to change the policies. Just keep them if everyone's still going to buy one.
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:36 PM    (permalink
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separate comment for unrelated, but i don't think this changes many people's buy choice at this point. it's great for xbox people, and i'm happy you'll have a system that isn't, imo, crippled by stupid technical decisions. but i still don't want to pay $100 for a **** peripheral, and i'm still a spec *****. i'm guessing most people were either going to:

- swallow MS's/Sony's **** because they like games on either more (you could lump in the multiplayer experience here, as applicable)
- buy the lowest price

as much as the internet raged, i don't really believe that an appreciable number of minds were changed with the reversal.
I agree. I think if Microsoft dropped their price tag to $400 without Kinect, that would change some minds. Particularly people who were leaning toward XBox, but shifted over to the PS4 for various reasons.

As a whole, I don't think this changes much. Maybe for some people who really wanted to go XBox but just didn't like all the limitations. It's a good start and it was nice to see Microsoft actually listen for a change.
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separate comment for unrelated, but i don't think this changes many people's buy choice at this point. it's great for xbox people, and i'm happy you'll have a system that isn't, imo, crippled by stupid technical decisions. but i still don't want to pay $100 for a **** peripheral, and i'm still a spec *****. i'm guessing most people were either going to:

- swallow MS's/Sony's **** because they like games on either more (you could lump in the multiplayer experience here, as applicable)
- buy the lowest price

as much as the internet raged, i don't really believe that an appreciable number of minds were changed with the reversal.
DUDE, the PS4 can transfer so much data so fast!!! And this time its simpler for the developers to work with PS4, and the Xbox is the pain this time.
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:39 PM    (permalink
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Not what I said. Not even close. What i was referencing was our comments about the used game policy (which youve already proven you didn't have a handle on pages ago when you for some reason tried calling me out, after I had posted numerous links, pre and post interjection, but I digress). I'm not going to repost everything Ive already said in this thread because you didn't read it the first time....or are apparently continuing to not read presently.

Youre literally not even grasping at straws here.
So you completely dropped the discussion at hand and instead decided to reference and critique days old posts, instead of the actual comment that you replied to. OK.
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:43 PM    (permalink
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So you completely dropped the discussion at hand and instead decided to reference and critique days old posts, instead of the actual comment that you replied to. OK.
If youre this illiterate I'm not even wasting my time. That day old post I brought up, was exactly what Forenci and I were talking about when we brought up the fact that we had mentioned MS had yet to reveal their full plan for that particular policy. I never said ALL policies (your post about always online), I was referencing exactly what it was we were talking about. Good lord....
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:53 PM    (permalink
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What? This is not remotely an issue of "waiting to hear what the actual guidelines were from MS". In this particular case, MS clear delineated what the guidelines were. There was no ambiguity about the fact that for instance you would have to check in once every 24 hours. Microsoft clearly stated that was a requirement, they clearly stated that they had no intention to change, and there were no details of that requirement left to guessing. You can't now say, "yeah, well, we were planning to wait for them to completely reverse their policies all along!"
We weren't waiting for them to reverse them, but plenty of us said it was a possibility and that we should wait till it gets closer to release day to actually see what the policies are.
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Jvig feeling the need to bring me up. Bless his soul. The fact he was already gobbling Microsoft's nob on day one means I'll take nothing from the discussion though. Microsoft announced terrible policies and was condemned. People defended it here. They repeal and people here say "I told you so despite earlier saying it didn't matter". Sigh.

Good on Microsoft for repealing their draconian policies. Very good for competition. Back on the fence about which console to buy well after release now. :)
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If youre this illiterate I'm not even wasting my time. That day old post I brought up, was exactly what Forenci and I were talking about when we brought up the fact that we had mentioned MS had yet to reveal their full plan for that particular policy. I never said ALL policies (your post about always online), I was referencing exactly what it was we were talking about. Good lord....
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In fact, if anything this reversal just makes your posts even funnier, since Forenci, Vidae, OSU and I all stated that the details were vague and there was no reason to just make assumptions about these models or systems until all the details were revealed by MS. (which admittedly was a stupid way to go about it since most of those restrictions pissed everyone off to kingdom come in the first place)
It's pretty obvious that you're discussing Microsoft's reversal of their stated policies. They obviously can't reverse anything they hadn't revealed, so you had to clearly be referring to issues such as the 24 hour check-in requirement, and that somehow Microsoft abandoning such provisions proved you right. Again, your own post clearly indicates you were not simply discussing unrevealed policies as you may claim, but also clearly hailing the reversal of revealed policies. And following the line of discussion, I in turn also responded about Microsoft's reversal of their stated policies. Where after you apparently decided without mention that you didn't want to talk about the reversal anymore, and would rather bring-up the fact that they didn't reveal everything about used games.
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Jvig feeling the need to bring me up. Bless his soul. The fact he was already gobbling Microsoft's nob on day one means I'll take nothing from the discussion though. Microsoft announced terrible policies and was condemned. People defended it here. They repeal and people here say "I told you so despite earlier saying it didn't matter". Sigh.

Good on Microsoft for repealing their draconian policies. Very good for competition. Back on the fence about which console to buy well after release now. :)
Who defended it? The people (jvig, Forenci, OSU, me) who were going to get an X1 have universally agreed that they were stupid policies. I mean christ, we've said that about 500 different ways. The thing is: we didn't care. It didn't really matter to us.
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If they had released a console kinectless for $399 this is not a debate for me personally. The fact that they're still trying to force something on us is the deciding factor for myself and others.
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I said it a week ago: I wouldn't be surprised if they released one without the Kinect for $399. I was told it wasn't going to happen by a few different people.

No one thought they'd change this stuff, so anything is possible.
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Who defended it? The people (jvig, Forenci, OSU, me) who were going to get an X1 have universally agreed that they were stupid policies. I mean christ, we've said that about 500 different ways. The thing is: we didn't care. It didn't really matter to us.
I guess that just shows y'all level of fanboyism
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I guess that just shows y'all level of fanboyism
say waatt?

isn't it pretty low, if they bash it, and just it to play the games?
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say waatt?

isn't it pretty low, if they bash it, and just it to play the games?
Stop making sense. Apparently agreeing with how stupid something is means you're a fanboy of that system or the company who makes it. It couldn't be ANY other factors. At all.
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Stop making sense. Apparently agreeing with how stupid something is means you're a fanboy of that system or the company who makes it. It couldn't be ANY other factors. At all.
It's the fact that you agree it's dumb but it means nothing to you. It SHOULD mean something to you.
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Jvig feeling the need to bring me up. Bless his soul. The fact he was already gobbling Microsoft's nob on day one means I'll take nothing from the discussion though. Microsoft announced terrible policies and was condemned. People defended it here. They repeal and people here say "I told you so despite earlier saying it didn't matter". Sigh.

Good on Microsoft for repealing their draconian policies. Very good for competition. Back on the fence about which console to buy well after release now. :)
Who said I told you so? And if anything the policies are futuristic, not draconian
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It's the fact that you agree it's dumb but it means nothing to you. It SHOULD mean something to you.
That isn't it at all, but I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand what you're reading in this thread.. you haven't done it yet, but I'll try one last time.

For us, the pros outweighed the cons. It really is that simple.
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Jvig feeling the need to bring me up. Bless his soul. The fact he was already gobbling Microsoft's nob on day one means I'll take nothing from the discussion though. Microsoft announced terrible policies and was condemned. People defended it here. They repeal and people here say "I told you so despite earlier saying it didn't matter". Sigh.

Good on Microsoft for repealing their draconian policies. Very good for competition. Back on the fence about which console to buy well after release now. :)
Must be fun making up stories. No one here said it didn't matter. We all agreed it was a stupid policy. However, Vidae, Jvig, and others said it didn't make a difference to us because: We don't trade games in, we don't really lend games much, and we don't have crappy internet so the 24 check in won't matter. I said it didn't matter to me because it won't impact me, but I did say it mattered to me in principal because I do not believe gamers should have to be restricted like that and that some people who don't have consistent internet, or do trade games with friends would get screwed.

Nice try though. We did say that the policies were anything but guaranteed, though. And I'm certainly not trying to rub that in it at all since they should have never been there in the first place.
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It's the fact that you agree it's dumb but it means nothing to you. It SHOULD mean something to you.
WHAT? We agreed it was dumb, but because it didn't affect us and we still thought it was a better system we supported it. Please explain how that makes us fanboys. If we were fanboys we'd be saying it wasn't dumb, it doesn't affect anyone and no one should care. Bert your posts in this thread ******* suck, plain and simple.
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That isn't it at all, but I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand what you're reading in this thread.. you haven't done it yet, but I'll try one last time.

For us, the pros outweighed the cons. It really is that simple.
The pros don't outweigh the cons. They didn't from day 1 and they still don't. But keep on believing that broseph.
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The pros don't outweigh the cons. They didn't from day 1 and they still don't. But keep on believing that broseph.
TO YOU THEY DON'T! Holy **** you're ******* miserable. You have no concept of what an opinion is. You can't tell someone their opinion is wrong!
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The pros don't outweigh the cons. They didn't from day 1 and they still don't. But keep on believing that broseph.
Holy ******* hell. Are you ******* stupid? I'm so tired of your **** you terrible troll. They don't outweigh the cons for YOU! FOR YOU! Not everyone is YOU though you narcissistic Sony loving tool.

Stop pretending like there is one clear answer to what console is right for what person. Everyone has different needs, likes, dislikes, etc. To pretend like the PS4 is better for everyone is ******* stupid. The PS4 is a great fit for a lot of people. The XBox One is a great fit for a lot of people. End of story.
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Holy ******* hell. Are you ******* stupid? I'm so tired of your **** you terrible troll. They don't outweigh the cons for YOU! FOR YOU! Not everyone is YOU though you narcissistic Sony loving tool.

Stop pretending like there is one clear answer to what console is right for what person. Everyone has different needs, likes, dislikes, etc. To pretend like the PS4 is better for everyone is ******* stupid. The PS4 is a great fit for a lot of people. The XBox One is a great fit for a lot of people. End of story.
There is one console that is right for everyone
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