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Old 06-07-2013, 09:34 PM    (permalink
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Not at all interested in this argument because it doesn't address what I brought up. However, I do find it interesting that you brought up Wake and Lawson because from 2008-2010 Manny Lawson was more productive rushing the passer on a PER SNAP basis than Wake. Obviously he is the superior talent right?
Lawson played more snaps than Wake in the year I cited and barely produced more.

How can he be more productive per snap when Wake played far less snaps and produced only slightly less?
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Graham is 50x the player that Barwin is.
Not possible. Barwin is the Eagles best rush LBer right now.
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Lawson played more snaps than Wake in the year I cited and barely produced more.

How can he be more productive per snap when Wake played far less snaps and produced only slightly less?
http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/6/2...football-focus

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-edge-rushers/

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There's nothing in the PFF article that supports that claim.
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There's nothing in the PFF article that supports that claim.
Seriously? It's an old article and the tables were moved in the PFF article. However, there is consistency between the 1st and the 2nd in that Manny Lawson was the 8th ranked pass rusher in 2010. Are you suggesting that the first article simply decided to lie for no reason at all?

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There's nothing in the PFF article that supports that claim.
Here you go:

http://web.archive.org/web/201206220...-edge-rushers/

The tables got lost some how.

Are you now shifting your argument to about talent?
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So this is the Ache Ten character everyone complains about. Carry on then. I've done my monthly penance of 20 seconds in the Pro Football forum.
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It's getting to be that point in the thread...

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I've watched every Giants and Eagles games over the past god knows how long and I can say without a doubt JPP is without question better in every facet of the game than Graham. That said, I do think that the switch to the 3-4 will make Graham a full time starter opposite Cole and be a force going forward. But JPP is on another level until proven otherwise. He was properly game planned for this season and he obviously was ailing from something. I like the pride in your crusade but you're making a very bold statement here without a lot of facts to hang your hat on. I wish you well but I urge you to reign it back a bit and not be too proud in your journey. These guys are very knowledgeable and not just blowing smoke just for the heck of it. They are right to disagree with you because of the impact each player has had on their respective teams. Even watching College tape, despite Graham having better stats, you can just see that JPP was the superior prospect. I applaud your optimism though.
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The Eagles didn't just pay Connor Barwin $36 mil to be a rotational player. Until proven otherwise, Cole and Barwin are Philly's starting OLBs.
I expect Graham to be a package player again this season for the Eagles, but not a starter.
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Bold Statement: Casey Hayward is a better player than Antonio Cromartie.

According to FootballOutsiders game charting and statistical analysis, Hayward was 2nd in the NFL in yards/pass and first in "success rate" (defined as "the percentage of passes that don't manage to get at least 45 percent of needed yards on first down, 60 percent of needed yards on second down, or 100 percent of needed yards on third down").

Cromartie ranks 6th and 10th in these statistics, respectively. For that matter, Richard Sherman ranks 22nd and 8th.

Clearly, the Packers slot corner is the best CB in the entire NFL.

Just please don't point out that these metrics favor slot corners.

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noone in the entire nfl has more carries per carry than ingram, he is elite, that stat is on the same level as adrian peterson
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Yeah...just going to throw this out there:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...l-edge-rushers

Notice who is ranked 7th...and who is not ranked.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...l-edge-rushers

Notice who is ranked 7th...and who is not ranked.
Bro, these lists only work when theyre in accordance with his argument for Graham. NICE TRY!
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This argument is crap. JPP>>>Graham.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...l-edge-rushers

Notice who is ranked 7th...and who is not ranked.
Von Miller is an interesting way to spell Brandon Graham.
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Graham can't even get first team reps. He is practicing behind Barwin right now.
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Graham can't even get first team reps. He is practicing behind Barwin right now.
This is a surprise to exactly one person in the world.
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