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That's what the reality of it is in this country. We have gone to you are guilty until proven innocent. And then, if you prove yourself innocent we can still cast a guilty eye on your and say you had a good lawyer to get you free.


But I think as people we have to remain patient and let the process play itself out. If you watch peoples reactions it's always, man you're guilty and screwed now. Same thing with the Duke Lacross case only to find out the stripper lied.

What do we know? No witnesses.. No weapon and no video of him killing anyone. Sure he had weapons that weren't licensed and stuff, but in terms of killing someone, we have no ways of knowing for sure.
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That's what the reality of it is in this country. We have gone to you are guilty until proven innocent. And then, if you prove yourself innocent we can still cast a guilty eye on your and say you had a good lawyer to get you free.


But I think as people we have to remain patient and let the process play itself out. If you watch peoples reactions it's always, man you're guilty and screwed now. Same thing with the Duke Lacross case only to find out the stripper lied.

What do we know? No witnesses.. No weapon and no video of him killing anyone. Sure he had weapons that weren't licensed and stuff, but in terms of killing someone, we have no ways of knowing for sure.
I agree. There's no way to be sure how it went down.

They have pretty well timed video of the car going into the industrial area w/4 guys followed by reports of gun shots by a work crew in the area and then video of three guys driving out of the industrial park a few minutes later.

What I mean when I say it's obvious what happened is that it's pretty clear the timeline means these three guys killed the fourth. The actual conviction will be tricky but it will clearly happen. I see an accessory plea of some sort depending on what the status is on the other 2 guys.
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Maybe, but it still has to be proven. Again, we should change our laws in this country to say guilty until proven innocent. It pretty much is the standard mentality in this country.

I could careless either way the outcome, but it is interesting to see everyones reaction when stuff like this happens. People normally always side with guilty guess when it comes to this stuff.
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The prosecutor went on for a solid 20 minutes with all the circumstantial evidence, and provided a very thorough timeline, combining the text messages and surveillance videos very well. So many times he and the car were found on various surveillance systems, including right before and right after the murder. While they have no weapon, and their evidence is largely circumstantial, they have a huge mountain of it. They have a matching shell casing found in the car, alongside a piece of chewed bubble gum...if the DNA on that gum matches Hernandez, what are the chances the shell casing found next to it are not from his gun? Yes, it's very circumstantial, but in this case you have to think that the defense is now in a position where they have to discredit every little piece of evidence brought forward.
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Maybe, but it still has to be proven. Again, we should change our laws in this country to say guilty until proven innocent. It pretty much is the standard mentality in this country.

I could careless either way the outcome, but it is interesting to see everyones reaction when stuff like this happens. People normally always side with guilty guess when it comes to this stuff.
Innocent until proven guilty is for the courts, not for public opinion. Just like freedom of speech is for law enforcement, not for employers. I don't think things have changed like you think they have.
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I agree. There's no way to be sure how it went down.

They have pretty well timed video of the car going into the industrial area w/4 guys followed by reports of gun shots by a work crew in the area and then video of three guys driving out of the industrial park a few minutes later.

What I mean when I say it's obvious what happened is that it's pretty clear the timeline means these three guys killed the fourth. The actual conviction will be tricky but it will clearly happen. I see an accessory plea of some sort depending on what the status is on the other 2 guys.


The other people will be key. If they have a shady history, maybe the cops lean on them to say something. Save yourself type mentality. Hey, look AH has a lot of money, you guys aren't millionaires. So if you give us what happened we can give you a lesser sentence.

What do you think he is doing with his high priced lawyers? Do you think he will take the rap for you? Def. not, he will throw you under the bus if he has the chance. So what can you tell us on what went down?

I can see it playing out like that and all you need is 1 guy to flip and now you have 1 witness and then that circumstantial evidence becomes powerful.
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I've given too much rep in the past 24 hours, or else I'd rep you CJ.

The evidence is circumstantial and he might not have pulled the trigger or even masterminded the killing, but it seems almost impossible that he wasn't directly involved.
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Where do you get the jury from? Isolated island where there is no tv, media or anything? You get a jury from your peers, who in this media drive society, will know everything.

And that's the rub, sure in a court room you are innocent until proven guilty, but it's almost impossible for someone to get a fair shake. Everything knows about the guy, and circumstances regarding the case.

Unless the jury is going to be 80 year old grannies who don't know how this guy is. If you find that sure, then it's fine.

I think the court of public opinion is mostly always slanted towards guilt. When stuff like this happens how many people say, man that guy or girl is not guilty? Every time, just watch, you will see people say damn that person is screwed.

And who comprises the jury? People like you and me and others . You try not to get biased people, but now with social media, and 24/7 news it will be tough.
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For heaven's sake, do they have GPS records of both guys showing up at the industrial park and only one of them leaving?

This guy is too stupid to be a criminal.
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For heaven's sake, do they have GPS records of both guys showing up at the industrial park and only one of them leaving?

This guy is too stupid to be a criminal.
Criminals are usually pretty dumb though.
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Exactly. Let's not act like he's not gonna get his fair trial here. Laws don't need to be changed because of public opinion, it is what it is.
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Where do you get the jury from? Isolated island where there is no tv, media or anything? You get a jury from your peers, who in this media drive society, will know everything.

And that's the rub, sure in a court room you are innocent until proven guilty, but it's almost impossible for someone to get a fair shake. Everything knows about the guy, and circumstances regarding the case.

Unless the jury is going to be 80 year old grannies who don't know how this guy is. If you find that sure, then it's fine.

I think the court of public opinion is mostly always slanted towards guilt. When stuff like this happens how many people say, man that guy or girl is not guilty? Every time, just watch, you will see people say damn that person is screwed.

And who comprises the jury? People like you and me and others . You try not to get biased people, but now with social media, and 24/7 news it will be tough.
So by this rationale, everyone charged with a crime ends up being guilty. Seeing as how we know that obviously isn't true, how do you explain that? A ton of people said Ray Lewis and OJ did it too, why aren't they still rotting in jail?
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LOL sadly this is what I take from any picture with Hernandez now :/

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So by this rationale, everyone charged with a crime ends up being guilty. Seeing as how we know that obviously isn't true, how do you explain that? A ton of people said Ray Lewis and OJ did it too, why aren't they still rotting in jail?
Well Simpson is in jail. Karma usually wins out.
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