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Michael Turner 67 70.53%
Ladell Betts 28 29.47%
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Old 04-04-2007, 07:33 PM    (permalink
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turner. 6ypc says it all
Well, when you have Lorenzo Neal blocking for you, that helps just a bit.
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I love MT as a Charger fan, and think he will be better, but if we are talking right now, I would have to quote all the people I argue with and say Turner is not proven enough to be regarded as better than Betts right here. Now, I think and believe that Turner will be better, and has a much higher potential for stardom than betts, but Betts has proven he can be a starter, whereas Turner has given every indication he has the ability to be a full-time starter, but has not actaully proven it.
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This maybe a stretch, but Betts reminds me of a poor mans Terrel Davis.
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How do you figure? Pretty sure that he'll be the fulltime starter next year.
He will, until he gets hurt that is. Your team made a big mistake by letting Jones go IMO because Benson hasn't proven that he could do anything accept play a back up roll.
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He will, until he gets hurt that is. Your team made a big mistake by letting Jones go IMO because Benson hasn't proven that he could do anything accept play a back up roll.
How is he going to prove that if we have Jones still here? Did the Redskins make a mistake in benching Mark Brunell because Campbell hadn't proven anything yet?
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He will, until he gets hurt that is. Your team made a big mistake by letting Jones go IMO because Benson hasn't proven that he could do anything accept play a back up roll.
He's never been given the chance to prove anything except for one game last year against San Francisco, and he actually did pretty well.

Cedric IMO will be a better runner in this system and put up better numbers. TJ was a great back for us, but Ced fits the running system better with his downhill/physical style.
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Can all the Turner haters come up with a better excuse than "he ran on tired defenses" and "he had a good OLine"? It seems like you guys are great at taking away his acheivements, but I haven't seen anyone who is able to tell me that he doesn't have great skills. If you are going to say he won't be a successful starter, you have to come up with excuses that Turner himself can control. Why won't he have success, what are his negative attributes?
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I'm not a Turner hater. He just hasn't impressed me as much as Betts did in those last 6 full games. Proving he can carry the load a full season esp. with his running style etc.
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How is he going to prove that if we have Jones still here? Did the Redskins make a mistake in benching Mark Brunell because Campbell hadn't proven anything yet?
Thats different. Brunell sucked, Jones on the other hand didn't. I don't think that Benson will be half the back that Jones was but that is just my opinion. Look at the bright side you guys will probably win the division.
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My only knock on Ladell is his propensity to fumble at crucial times. It has cost us big time especially last year. A fumbling problem can be cured as Tiki showed so lets hope he works on it. Betts was an effective receiver out of the backfield last year.

Last year was the first season that Betts had remained healthy and look what he did.

As for Turner, he looks really talented but we have to see what he can do as a starter before we compare.
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Man, if you guys saw Turner as much as I did, you guys would be drooling over the guy and there would be no debate here. All you people say that his ypc are deceiving, he averages 6 ypc IN HIS CAREER, not just last year. Also, he doesn't just run in the 4th quarter, its just not true. I can't remember the last time I saw him stuffed at the line, he just always gets yards. He can do it all and I guarantee he gets 1250 or more yards in his first year as a full time starter. The guy is a flat out beast.
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TURNER

CAT G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st
1ST QUARTER 0 10 78 7.8 25 0 5
2ND QUARTER 0 16 81 5.1 22 0 3
3RD QUARTER 0 19 97 5.1 21 0 6
4TH QUARTER 0 35 246 7.0 73 2 10
4th WITHIN 7 0 17 92 5.4 23 0 5
OVERTIME 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0

while i agree he hasnt put up a full seasons worth of stats he still has over a 5.0 avg when the D is still fresh
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Betts is a great backup and has proven he can be very productive in a starting role. However, his ceiling is not that high. Hes good but would never be great. Turner looks incredibly dominant when he runs and with his combo of size and speed and his ability to break tackles he could be a legit star. However, hes been doing what hes doing in a backup role and against defenses tired out from defending the best HB in the league. He needs to prove he can do it in a starting role.
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TURNER

CAT G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st
1ST QUARTER 0 10 78 7.8 25 0 5
2ND QUARTER 0 16 81 5.1 22 0 3
3RD QUARTER 0 19 97 5.1 21 0 6
4TH QUARTER 0 35 246 7.0 73 2 10
4th WITHIN 7 0 17 92 5.4 23 0 5
OVERTIME 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0

while i agree he hasnt put up a full seasons worth of stats he still has over a 5.0 avg when the D is still fresh
What about in the first quarter? did you include those in the 5.0 avg, because when you include that it still comes out to over six.
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Turner by a mile, he reminds me a bit of when Duce Staley was in Philly.
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What about in the first quarter? did you include those in the 5.0 avg, because when you include that it still comes out to over six.
i was just using 5 as a good number. he has good numbers against defenses that arent tired yet.
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i was just using 5 as a good number. he has good numbers against defenses that arent tired yet.
Oh wow, i totally took that the wrong way, i thought you were saying five as being significantly less than six, meanging he wasn't performing as well. haha my bad.
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Oh wow, i totally took that the wrong way, i thought you were saying five as being significantly less than six, meanging he wasn't performing as well. haha my bad.
no way, i really like his potential.
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haha i do too, i can't believe i read that post so backwards.
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Well, when you have Lorenzo Neal blocking for you, that helps just a bit.
Glad someone brought this up. Right now Betts, he has proven he can start and be productive. We havent actually seen Turner start, because LT never gets hurt. Also, to keep in mind players always seem better off the bench.
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My only knock on Ladell is his propensity to fumble at crucial times. It has cost us big time especially last year. A fumbling problem can be cured as Tiki showed so lets hope he works on it. Betts was an effective receiver out of the backfield last year.

Last year was the first season that Betts had remained healthy and look what he did.

As for Turner, he looks really talented but we have to see what he can do as a starter before we compare.
Man aint that the truth. That is my biggest knock on him also. We have lost 3 or 4 games the past 2 years just because betts fumbled the game away.
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Turner by a mile! i want him so bad on the jets he dominated in northern illinois
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I hate to say it but Betts tore up the eagles run defense last year. More so than Portis.
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