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Old 09-02-2013, 01:40 AM    (permalink
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i imagine Wilson will get picked up by someone and get another opportunity despite the worst endzone dive in the history of football
That's McGloin. And watching the game live, I don't remember it looking quite that ridiculous. The NU guy pulled up late or something.
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God, I remember back seeing mocks with Wilson going in the top 10. And now he didn't even make the roster of one of the worst teams in the league.
Quite literally the worst QB situation in the league but with that said would it be shocking if the Raiders just cut a guy who becomes a decent QB? It is the Raiders after all.
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You always evaluate the player, but Petrino's QB track record isn't the best. Mallet has made very little progress in his NFL years as well.
IMO there's no way to really know that backing up Tom Brady.
I still say Mallet is at worst a mid level NFL starter with the potential to be more than that.

It's really shocking based on predraft buzz that Tyler Wilson didn't make the Raiders 53 man squad. It's not that he wasn't good enough to start, the Raiders organization thought they were better off without a rookie QB they drafted.

Wilson probably makes the Raiders practice squad. Don't see how he doesn't.
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It's not that McGloin's dive was that bad. It was him acting like a badass afterwards that put it over the top.

Also, it was that bad.
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It's not that McGloin's dive was that bad. It was him acting like a badass afterwards that put it over the top.

Also, it was that bad.
Question: was it that bad?
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IMO there's no way to really know that backing up Tom Brady.
I still say Mallet is at worst a mid level NFL starter with the potential to be more than that.
He hasn't ever really lived up to his billing in the pre-season or in camps. I've been there quite a few times as well. The writers haven't ever really had much great to say about him either.

He just straight out misses throws that you have to be able to hit 100% of the time as an NFL quarterback with a fair degree of regularity. Showed a bit more down the stretch this pre-season, but we're not getting a significant pick for him like everyone thought we would. At least not anytime soon.
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Mallett just needs reps to improve.
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Tyler Wilson is still an Oakland Raider.

The Raiders signed Wilson to their practice after he went unclaimed on waivers.
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Tyler Wilson is still an Oakland Raider.

The Raiders signed Wilson to their practice after he went unclaimed on waivers.
What a strange game we play as draftniks.
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Not sure why anyone expected a guy who was worse than a 3rd rounder to be any good

By the way, the list is now...

Brian Brohm
Jamarcus Russell
Christian Ponder
Ryan Mallett
Tyler Wilson
EJ Manuel
Jameis Winston

Don't worry though guys, I'm sure Western Kentucky's QB is legit!
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What is that list? ...
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I didn't get it either.

Also, if Oakland's going to let Pryor run around and throw interceptions, maybe they're the spot for Tebow to make his last stand. He's got to start a regular season game at least one more time before he's done. And I mean, Terrell Pryor and Tim Tebow would kind of make sense as insurance for each other and the Raiders could make a gameplan based around running quarterbacks. They're the worst team in the league and have nothing to lose.

McGloin.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...s-organization

McGloin was the best QB in camp this year from everything I heard. I was never a big fan of his but he came a long way under O'Brien.

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This is partially true. The defensive staff was still great and that's why the defense kept turning out NFL players but the offensive staff was just really bad. Most of them were either outdated or just not very good coaches and it showed as top prospect after top prospect came in and just wasted away on offense, with RB and WR being the only exceptions.

As for McGloin, he never had the physical tools but he's always had that IT factor that you want from your QBs. Once O'Brien named him the starter, he really improved week to week to the point where, if you just looked at the last half of his senior season, I thought you would have given him a draftable grade and I'm really not surprised he made a roster.
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By the way, the list is now...

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McGloin's improvement might demonstrate a bit of difference in coaching ability between O'Brien and Jay Paterno.

I wonder what O'Brien could have done with Daryll Clark, Anthony Morelli and Michael Robinson.
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McGloin's improvement might demonstrate a bit of difference in coaching ability between O'Brien and Jay Paterno.

I wonder what O'Brien could have done with Daryll Clark, Anthony Morelli and Michael Robinson.
I don't think Clark ever would have been an NFL QB, nor Robinson, but man I would have loved to see with he could have done with Morelli. Jay Paterno was such an awful "QB" coach.
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Anthony Morelli never had the brain to be an NFL QB.
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So when will everyone start to realize that Reggie McKenzie is a clown?

Name me one thing that he's done which is a positive, other than dump salary? A blind monkey can dump salary. What else has he done?

Hire a coach who's way in over his head?

Draft a CB who's coming off a near fatal injury at 11 and trade the 3rd pick for 2 cents on the dollar to get him?

Leave your qb situation a complete mess?

What has he done?
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I still remember Reggie McKenzie saying at his introduction presser about how he was going to roll his sleeves up and get his hands dirty. Another goon who talked big, but delievered nothing. Mike Singletary syndrome. The Raiders have actually gotten worse under his watch.
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So when will everyone start to realize that Reggie McKenzie is a clown?

Name me one thing that he's done which is a positive, other than dump salary? A blind monkey can dump salary. What else has he done?

Hire a coach who's way in over his head?

Draft a CB who's coming off a near fatal injury at 11 and trade the 3rd pick for 2 cents on the dollar to get him?

Leave your qb situation a complete mess?

What has he done?
I have a number of Raiders friends and we just had this discussion. They were all super excited when he came in and cleared out everyone and started a true rebuild but I look at that roster and I think its in worse shape than it was when he got there. Needless to say, they are all talking about Clowney and Teddy as opposed to this season.
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So when will everyone start to realize that Reggie McKenzie is a clown?

Name me one thing that he's done which is a positive, other than dump salary? A blind monkey can dump salary. What else has he done?

Hire a coach who's way in over his head?

Draft a CB who's coming off a near fatal injury at 11 and trade the 3rd pick for 2 cents on the dollar to get him?

Leave your qb situation a complete mess?

What has he done?
Okay, so let's look at this with each of your gripes about McKenzie.

Who would McKenzie have brought in as a coach? Who do you think would accept a position with the Raiders knowing what was going to take place. People think the Raiders have been rebuilding since the Super Bowl loss. That's not the case. The past decade has been like hurricane Katrina. The first thing you have to do is tear out all the crap before you can even begin to rebuild. That takes time.

Everyone and their mother knows that this draft was completely void of impact talent at the top of the draft. Should the Raiders have stayed at #3 when they had so many holes to fill? You can only make a trade when there are teams willing to trade with you. Teams had everyone in the top 5 by the balls.

And their QB situation is a mess? Yeah. Absolutely. Of course it is. We are talking about a team that traded a 1st and a 2nd round pick for Carson Palmer 6 months before McKenzie got to Oakland. What do you propose McKenzie should do to change the QB situation? What could he have done better? He didn't have a shot at any of the QBs in the famed 2012 draft and no one in the 2013 is worth anything. By the time Reggie McKenzie got his first selection even Russell Wilson was off the board in the 3rd round of the 2012 draft. So exactly what could McKenzie have done to make his QB situation any better?

People forget that McKenzie has been in his position for exactly 1 season. He's been there for about 16 months.

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Okay, so let's look at this with each of your gripes about McKenzie.

Who would McKenzie have brought in as a coach? Who do you think would accept a position with the Raiders knowing what was going to take place. People think the Raiders have been rebuilding since the Super Bowl loss. That's not the case. The past decade has been like hurricane Katrina. The first thing you have to do is tear out all the crap before you can even begin to rebuild. That takes time.

Everyone and their mother knows that this draft was completely void of impact talent at the top of the draft. Should the Raiders have stayed at #3 when they had so many holes to fill? You can only make a trade when there are teams willing to trade with you. Teams had everyone in the top 5 by the balls.

And their QB situation is a mess? Yeah. Absolutely. Of course it is. We are talking about a team that traded a 1st and a 2nd round pick for Carson Palmer 6 months before McKenzie got to Oakland. What do you propose McKenzie should do to change the QB situation? What could he have done better? He didn't have a shot at any of the QBs in the famed 2012 draft and no one in the 2013 is worth anything. By the time Reggie McKenzie got his first selection even Russell Wilson was off the board in the 3rd round of the 2012 draft. So exactly what could McKenzie have done to make his QB situation any better?

People forget that McKenzie has been in his position for exactly 1 season. He's been there for about 16 months.

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You can't say the Carson trade crippled Reggie without also pointing out that Reggie traded TWO draft picks for a backup quarterback. And also drafted a QB with one of his draft picks only to cut him the SAME year.

So that's THREE draft picks dedicated to the qb position by McKenzie that all amounted to nothing while he's trying to rebuild. Sound like a good plan?

And trading back is fine, if you know, you get a player who didn't need to play with a red shirt all of training camp. The guy is a gigantic injury liability. When you draft that high you can't afford to miss and there are some serious concerns with the guy he selected. Can he pan out? Sure, but if he doesn't, he's another terrible mistake. And I'm erring on the side of him not panning out.

And every draft has talent. It's the job of the GM to find it. Saying there was a lack of talent in this draft is just an excuse for the guy.

And he had plenty of choices of HCs. Mike Zimmer is still waiting for a job.

I don't see how anyone can give him a ringing endorsement. So what, he's been on the job for 1.5 years. So? All the evidence in that time span has shown him to be incompetent thus far. It's going to take a lot for him to turn around what he's done.

The bottom line is this team is a lot worse now than it was before he took over. He's not made the team better. And his decision making thus far makes me very skeptical that he ever will.
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Reggie McKenzie is on the hot seat, no doubt. Last year Mark Davis was in talks with Jon Gruden, it went public at a horrible time when Dennis Allen's father passed away and then the Raiders squashed it. I truly believe Reggie McKenzie & Dennis Allen were hired to be the sacrificial lambs. Heading into the 2014 off-season the Raiders will have 60+ million in cap space and will most likely have the #1 overall draft pick....I'm predicting Jon Gruden to join the Raiders in some form, I can see him land the executive vice president of football operations. Just like John Elway in Denver.

I can't see how the Raiders go from 16-16 Under Hue Jackson as OC & HC to 4-12 and lets be real, probably not winning more than 4 games in 2013. So lets just say, 4-12 again. So if Hue's 16-16 record didn't cut it, I can't see how Reggie and Allen survive an 8-24 record.
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Was it McKenzie who let Jason Campbell go?
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The Raiders actually looked like a promising team under Hue Jackson (besides the Carson trade anyway). They went 8-8 both years he was there (1 as OC, 1 as HC) and looked like a playoff team in 2011 on offense, if only their defense could have been better (a hire i believe Al Davis made). Now they've become legitimately the worst team in the league. Is Dennis Allen that bad or was Hue Jackson that good a coach?
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