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I think it was 336 out of 3,062 career attempts went for negative yardage so just a fraction under 90%. When you remove Sanders' negative yardage, and include the 0 yd runs, his career ypc jumps to 6.4. And Walter Payton averaged only 46 less negative yards per season than Barry.
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1995 yards per carry with 20+ Yard Carries Removed...

For this, I went through and removed all the 20+ yard carries I could find for the starting running backs in the NFL in 1995. When I was not able to find a given 20+ yard carry, I merely plugged in either a "20," if it was a 20+ yard carry missing, or "40," if it was was a 40+ yard carry missing. This benefits the guys who made a lot of big runs (*cough* Barry Sanders *cough*) the most, as they are more likely to have 20+/40+ yard runs not show up as either "long" or as being different from their "long" as a touchdown run in the box scores, with multiple long runs in a game. For instance, Sanders had 5 20+ yard runs that I was not able to retrieve, so I gave him the minimum yardage for those, "20," in the removal process.

Here are the averages, after removing said long runs, along with the carries resulting in them. Enjoy...


Craig Heyward: 4.33
Emmitt Smith: 3.90
Marcus Allen: 3.85
Chris Warren: 3.80
Terrell Davis: 3.80
Leroy Hoard: 3.72
James Stewart: 3.70
Harold Green: 3.66
Rodney Hampton: 3.64
Terry Allen: 3.64
Adrian Murrell: 3.63
Erric Pegram: 3.57
Harvey Williams: 3.55
Erric Rhett: 3.53
Rashaan Salaam: 3.44
Thurman Thomas: 3.38
Natrone Means: 3.36
Curtis Martin: 3.31
Derrick Moore: 3.30
Jerome Bettis: 3.27
Robert Smith: 3.26
Edgar Bennett: 3.26
Garrison Hearst: 3.25
Ricky Watters: 3.25
Mario Bates: 3.23
Derek Loville: 3.21
Bernie Parmalee: 3.21
Marshall Faulk: 3.19
Barry Sanders: 3.13
Rodney Thomas: 3.05
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1995 yards per carry with 20+ Yard Carries Removed...

For this, I went through and removed all the 20+ yard carries I could find for the starting running backs in the NFL in 1995. When I was not able to find a given 20+ yard carry, I merely plugged in either a "20," if it was a 20+ yard carry missing, or "40," if it was was a 40+ yard carry missing. This benefits the guys who made a lot of big runs (*cough* Barry Sanders *cough*) the most, as they are more likely to have 20+/40+ yard runs not show up as either "long" or as being different from their "long" as a touchdown run in the box scores, with multiple long runs in a game. For instance, Sanders had 5 20+ yard runs that I was not able to retrieve, so I gave him the minimum yardage for those, "20," in the removal process.

Here are the averages, after removing said long runs, along with the carries resulting in them. Enjoy...


Craig Heyward: 4.33
Emmitt Smith: 3.90
Marcus Allen: 3.85
Chris Warren: 3.80
Terrell Davis: 3.80
Leroy Hoard: 3.72
James Stewart: 3.70
Harold Green: 3.66
Rodney Hampton: 3.64
Terry Allen: 3.64
Adrian Murrell: 3.63
Erric Pegram: 3.57
Harvey Williams: 3.55
Erric Rhett: 3.53
Rashaan Salaam: 3.44
Thurman Thomas: 3.38
Natrone Means: 3.36
Curtis Martin: 3.31
Derrick Moore: 3.30
Jerome Bettis: 3.27
Robert Smith: 3.26
Edgar Bennett: 3.26
Garrison Hearst: 3.25
Ricky Watters: 3.25
Mario Bates: 3.23
Derek Loville: 3.21
Bernie Parmalee: 3.21
Marshall Faulk: 3.19
Barry Sanders: 3.13
Rodney Thomas: 3.05
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Nope. The only point I'm trying to make is that when you throw out everyone's big runs, you see that Sanders is worse than just about everyone. The big runs can only make up for so much in the grand scheme of things in a game.

The stats are always limited, but if Sanders was truly such a great runner aside from the rare breakaway, he shouldn't be down there during a typical season for him.
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Look. You can't just remove big runs from a player's stats. You can't look at a player's average and think, "He gets five yards per carry with no long runs!- that means his team will get a first down every two times he runs the ball." Except it doesn't. Every single back who ever played could still, on a given play, get stuffed. It simply doesn't work the way you're making it out to. Barry Sanders ability affected the way defenses played his team, and that's important. Regardless of who he might've had blocking for him, he was capable of taking one all the way to the endzone. Games are won when the clock hits zeros and one team has more points than the other. Barry Sanders could score. He made big plays for his offense and picked up a lot of yards. You can argue all you want that you'd rather have a back whose length-of-run were closer together - it's clear you'd rather have a back that ran for 4, 6, 4, 12, 2, 7 than a back who runs for -2, 3, 2, 5, 6, 80. That's fine. But you're just saying, in your mind, your dream team has Walter Payton on it instead of Barry Sanders. Nobody cares. You're comparing styles. You're failing at taking away anything from Barry Sanders greatness. And it is greatness. Nearly everyone who loves to watch football acknowledges that Barry Sanders was great. He was visibly great. It was obvious watching him. He wasn't perfect. No one is.

But your arguments are completely without a point. You're trying to come up with statistics that make one of the greatest running backs of all time look bad, because, since he's one of the greatest running backs of all time, you know that there will be plenty of people who want to argue with you and it's obvious that that's what you're really after. You even put in the time to come up with statistical lists meticulously modified to support your arguments to keep arguing with people. What's your ******* point? I mean, aside from "Barry Sanders wasn't good." We all know that's the lyric of the song that's skipping in your brain. It's just as easy to see that you have almost nothing to say that doesn't relate to a statistic. Barry Sanders was probably the hardest player to tackle in the open field of all time. That's how he is remembered. You like Alfred Morris. Go buy a Fathead.
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Nope. The only point I'm trying to make is that when you throw out everyone's big runs, you see that Sanders is worse than just about everyone. The big runs can only make up for so much in the grand scheme of things in a game.

The stats are always limited, but if Sanders was truly such a great runner aside from the rare breakaway, he shouldn't be down there during a typical season for him.
But what statistician says hey lets negate these critical successes they don't count of course they count. Secondly I find it cute that you decided to go with 1995 of all years. You know one of his worst seasons. You also fail to take into account that Sanders likely had significantly more 20+ and 40+ rushes than most of the other rushers in the league thus you are taking more attempts away from Sanders than the other RBs on your list.
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Look. You can't just remove big runs from a player's stats. You can't look at a player's average and think, "He gets five yards per carry with no long runs!- that means his team will get a first down every two times he runs the ball." Except it doesn't. Every single back who ever played could still, on a given play, get stuffed. It simply doesn't work the way you're making it out to. Barry Sanders ability affected the way defenses played his team, and that's important. Regardless of who he might've had blocking for him, he was capable of taking one all the way to the endzone. Games are won when the clock hits zeros and one team has more points than the other. Barry Sanders could score. He made big plays for his offense and picked up a lot of yards. You can argue all you want that you'd rather have a back whose length-of-run were closer together - it's clear you'd rather have a back that ran for 4, 6, 4, 12, 2, 7 than a back who runs for -2, 3, 2, 5, 6, 80. That's fine. But you're just saying, in your mind, your dream team has Walter Payton on it instead of Barry Sanders. Nobody cares. You're comparing styles. You're failing at taking away anything from Barry Sanders greatness. And it is greatness. Nearly everyone who loves to watch football acknowledges that Barry Sanders was great. He was visibly great. It was obvious watching him. He wasn't perfect. No one is.

But your arguments are completely without a point. You're trying to come up with statistics that make one of the greatest running backs of all time look bad, because, since he's one of the greatest running backs of all time, you know that there will be plenty of people who want to argue with you and it's obvious that that's what you're really after. You even put in the time to come up with statistical lists meticulously modified to support your arguments to keep arguing with people. What's your ******* point? I mean, aside from "Barry Sanders wasn't good." We all know that's the lyric of the song that's skipping in your brain. It's just as easy to see that you have almost nothing to say that doesn't relate to a statistic. Barry Sanders was probably the hardest player to tackle in the open field of all time. That's how he is remembered. You like Alfred Morris. Go buy a Fathead.
This pretty much covers it. Anything after this is pretty much just beating a dead horse.

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there probably was in the original version of the thread. i think we have like, 2 more pages in this one.

i mean, after all, adolf would've been a better, more productive runner than sanders.
But his average kil ... ahhhhh, I just can't do it.
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If all of old adolf's rejected paintings where actually plays of 90 yards or more, hitler would have the most 90+ yard runs ever...like that?
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no, because then you have to rule out the ones i don't like.
Well that's on you having terrible taste. We're talk about original Hitler's!
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but now you're inflating his average output per painting. we should throw out his best ones to find a more honest average. i mean, truthfully, we should really just include his worst ones.

as an aside, i often wonder if hitler being a pretty decent painter was really just a ploy by future time travelers to thwart the holocaust. like, 'maybe if we go back and give him an innocuous hobby, he won't be such a dick and it won't **** up the timeline too much'. but they didn't realize that it's a fixed point, so we just ended up with a hitler who has a weird side hobby.
Well then those time travelers are idiots because anything that prevents the holocaust would obviously **** up the timeline. Like by definition, even if Hitler's average paintsmanship-quotient was over 4.78.
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