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Old 10-01-2013, 10:38 PM    (permalink
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No more McKinnie on the left side. No more threat of Oher sliding back to the left side. And for multiple third day picks? He's going to need a sizable contract extension but he's worth it. Probably be cheaper than signing him on the open market too. I have faith that Ozzie will get a deal done before then.
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Just trade MJD already. He's even more useless now.

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Just trade MJD already. He's even more useless now.
I thought he was retired already, was a journalist now.....
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Why? He's a pretty damn good LT that's young. He's not elite, but nobody trades elite LT's anyway. Also where was San Diego while this was happening?
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Just trade MJD already. He's even more useless now.
He isn't all that great and wouldn't fetch much. Cecil Shorts would get more.
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For MJD...still have a couple weeks for some team's star RB to get hurt. It's really tough to tell what's left of the guy.
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I didn't hate this trade when I first heard it. I thought the compensation was going to be a 2nd and maybe a 4th or 5th. That was also when I thought Monroe was 28 or 29. But the more I think of it, the worse it is. It was the right move because they need to get Luke Joeckel to LT, but that in and of itself was a stupid pick.

Prior to the draft, the Jaguars had the #2 pick and a solid left tackle. Now they have a left tackle who might end up being as good as Monroe and a couple of third day picks. Basically they traded #2 pick for future third day picks. The only way this entire series of events makes sense is if they knew for a fact that they couldn't resign Monroe.

Now they might as well trade guys like MJD, Marcedes Lewis, & Posluszny and go full speed ahead to 0-16 and Bridgewater. Then they'll have about 8 or 9 Day Three picks.
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Prior to the draft, the Jaguars had the #2 pick and a solid left tackle. Now they have a left tackle who might end up being as good as Monroe and a couple of third day picks. Basically they traded #2 pick for future third day picks. The only way this entire series of events makes sense is if they knew for a fact that they couldn't resign Monroe.
I think that is a pretty safe bet... really, JAX is a tough sell for any pending free agent. If they can find a taker, MJD is probably gone too... maybe Cleveland comes in with a lowball offer? Could be an amusing development.
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I love it. Good player and a great price I think. McKinney is pretty done and Oher is a FA and is better suited on the right. Lets get him a longer deal now.
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Basically they traded #2 pick for future third day picks.
By that logic, they also signed the #2 pick to a one year contract. I believe Monroe was in the final year of a 5 year contract.
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Top ten left tackle for a handful of third day picks, huh? I bet the Jags started some extension talks and he wasn't terribly interested in going down with that ship.
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By that logic, they also signed the #2 pick to a one year contract. I believe Monroe was in the final year of a 5 year contract.
So they traded the #2 pick for some late round picks and 4 years of cheap OT play...That's still terrible. It's not like they're going to be competitive anytime soon. Best case scenario they get their QB of the future and pay for a top WR to play with him, but then after two years they're done taking money out of the Eugene Monroe piggybank.
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I really feel for Gus Bradley and Dave Caldwell. They were just totally screwed over by Gene Smith. Unloading the veterans for whatever draft picks they can get is the only option at this point.
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The Jags traded 12 games of a player for multiple draft picks in a season which is already lost. You can fault them for drafting Joeckel, but from where they stand now, it wasn't a terrible trade. And Monroe could easily walk after the season leaving Baltimore with nothing.
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GREAT move for Baltimore. Monroe, like Daryl Smith, will get the recognition he deserves now that he's out of the no-man's land that is Jacksonville. Now someone trade for Puz so I can see my favorite college player actually be relevant again.
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I know the Jags are trying to unload but I have a hard time believing they couldn't get more for Monroe.
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The Jags ok in the deal considering it didn't seem as though he would sign with them long term.
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Why give away draft picks to have a player for 12 games? A team could either send picks for Monroe, to then pay him, or they could wait until free agency and get another OT, but without having to give any compensation. That's why he's not going for a 2nd/3rd round pick. It'd be a higher pick if Monroe was a player you can't just get in FA, like Darrelle Revis, or a player with more than one year left on his contract.
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So they traded the #2 pick for some late round picks and 4 years of cheap OT play...That's still terrible. It's not like they're going to be competitive anytime soon. Best case scenario they get their QB of the future and pay for a top WR to play with him, but then after two years they're done taking money out of the Eugene Monroe piggybank.
Yeah, what you're saying doesn't really make sense either. I'm just gonna view it for what actually happened. The Jags spent the #2 pick of the 2013 Draft on Joekel and traded away Monroe in return for draft picks. Ahhh...So much simpler to view things the way they happened.

I know it's easy to just on the bash bad teams for every move bandwagon, but I don't see the problem with trading away a player who likely won't be back next season when they're in the middle of a lost season.
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Yeah, what you're saying doesn't really make sense either. I'm just gonna view it for what actually happened. The Jags spent the #2 pick of the 2013 Draft on Joekel and traded away Monroe in return for draft picks. Ahhh...So much simpler to view things the way they happened.

I know it's easy to just on the bash bad teams for every move bandwagon, but I don't see the problem with trading away a player who likely won't be back next season when they're in the middle of a lost season.
I never said the actual trade was bad for the Jaguars. Monroe for some 3rd day picks is a decent return, assuming he made it clear he wasn't going to be staying. It's better than having him now and losing for nothing in free agency.

But the idea of picking Joeckel, so we can let Monroe walk, is stupid. That's all. Unless they planned on keeping both Joeckel and Monroe. But then they just spent the 2nd overall pick on a RT. Either way, terrible planning from the Jaguars. Made worse by Joeckel not even being that good.
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The argument from the Jags was that they just took the highest rated player on their board. Everyone always praises good teams when they do that. Why is it a bad idea when a bad team does it?
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The argument from the Jags was that they just took the highest rated player on their board. Everyone always praises good teams when they do that. Why is it a bad idea when a bad team does it?
It isn't just about picking the best player wherever you're picking. You have to match value with need, which is done by moving about in the draft and it starts with picking good players (which Joeckel isn't). Obviously they thought Joeckel was the best player, but that doesn't mean you just pick him if you have no need for him. Trade down. The Raiders wanted a CB, but didn't think there was one worthy of being picked 3rd overall, so they traded down, got an extra second rounder and matched value (DJ Hayden at #12) with need (a cornerback).
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Monroe was 100% gone after the year if they hadn't traded him.

We can play the draft game all we want but there's no doubt he wanted out and they got two picks for a guy who was gone after this (a lost) year.

Here's another angle.

The Jaguars aren't getting any free agents to come to Jacksonville unless they overpay. That's their curse right now. So even if they could have kept Monroe and extended him or franchised him, they'd have a ******** of money tied up in one non-difference-making player, leaving them still with voids at impact positions and now considerably less money to lure free agents.
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Jacksonville would have probably gotten a 3rd round comp pick for Monroe in the 2015 draft if they didnt trade him. If they got, say, a 4th and 6th for the 2014 draft for him, that's actually similar value based on the trade chart so its probably not a terrible deal when you look at it that way.
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