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If Oregon or Alabama can't prove they're better they can't claim to be undisputed champions.
And if OSU goes 14-0, can they claim to be co-MNCs as well? How about Baylor?
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That looks terrible. The first five games would be a massive waste of time.

Once they split the five major conferences away from the rest everyone can stop pretending like Fresno State and Northern Illinois actually matter.

Four is enough.
You say the first five games would be terrible. I disagree slightly. I think UCF and Fesno would give FSU and Stanford a game. Both would lose but neither would be huge blowouts. I just think if you are going to have a playoff, every conference champion deserves to get in. Every other sport does it so I don't see why FBS can't too.

And you really think 4 teams will be enough?

2013: Alabama, FSU, Oregon, Ohio State, and Baylor go undefeated. Kind of unfair to leave Baylor out of it.
2012: Notre Dame was the only undefeated team. Alabama, Florida, Oregon, and Kansas State all only had 1 loss. That doesn't even include an 11-2 Stanford team that actually won the Pac 12 or 11-2 Georgie who beat Florida but lost the SEC Championship. Who goes?
2011: This year it might have worked. 13-0 LSU, 11-1 Alabama, OK State, & Stanford. But 11-2 Oregon was actually the PAC 12 Champion with a three-TD win over Stanford.
2010: Auburn, Oregon, and TCU were undefeated. Stanford, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Boise State were 11-1.
2009: Alabama, Texas, Cincinnati, and TCU were all undefeated and ranked 1-4. Looks like it would work out. The biggest gripe would probably be Boise State (who was undefeated and then beat TCU in the bowl) and 12-1 Florida who killed CIncinnati in the bowl.

So maybe once in the last five years it would have worked out cleanly (maybe this year too). Four is not enough because with only 4, you are arguing about the champions of major conferences who have identical records of other champions of major conferences. At least with my form of a playoff, it's a hell of a lot more inclusive and we are arguing over whether the 4th best team in the SEC or the third best PAC 12 team should get in.
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I've always believed we need an 8 team playoff with the 5 major conference champions, 1 non-AQ team, and 2 at large.
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If FSU finishes the regular season undefeated and blows out Ohio State in its BCS bowl game, I think most fans will feel that the BCS Nat'l champ ORE/ALA isn't 100% legit.
FSU would not get the opportunity to play Ohio State because they'd be locked into the Orange Bowl while tOSU gets the P12 #2 team in the Rose Bowl. Baylor, if undefeated, would be locked into the Fiesta Bowl. By virtue of losing the SEC Champion, the Sugar Bowl would get first pick of teams for it's game, followed by the Rose (who we know takes Stanford), then the Orange Bowl, followed by the Fiesta.

So we could get a BCS of

Alabama v. Oregon
Rose: Ohio State v. Stanford
Fiesta: Baylor v. Northern Illinois or Fresno State
Orange: Florida State v. Highest ranked team not already picked
Sugar: SEC #2 (Almost has to be Mizzou) v. Louisville/UCF

I would assume the Orange wouldn't (or couldn't) take Clemson or Miami, leaving them for the Sugar Bowl or possibly the Fiesta Bowl. From there at this point no idea who FSU faces in the Orange.

It's also possible the SEC can't qualify 2 BCS teams this season, where the P12 and ACC likely will, which would then make Alabama being in the MNC game a joke.

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Can we save the worthless half NC stuff until December maybe?
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I do wonder come the end of the year how much losing WV for Idaho will hurt FSU's schedule with the computers.
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Can we save the worthless half NC stuff until December maybe?
Or never. The system is what it is this year and next year 4 teams will havea shot. Nobody is going to lose any sleep over some fanbase claiming they're #1.
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I do wonder come the end of the year how much losing WV for Idaho will hurt FSU's schedule with the computers.
With WVU being awful this year, not much.
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With WVU being awful this year, not much.
Here is their schedule versus West Virginia's schedule. With the computers their schedule would be MUCH more favorable in the formula than Idaho's, even though (and very much to their credit) Idaho plays 12 FBS teams vs. WV's 11.
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With WVU being awful this year, not much.
WVU sucks, but they are substantially better than Idaho. However, with Idaho, the average BCS ranking of FSU's schedule is 58.4 compared to 48.7 for Oregon. Replace Idaho with WVU and it only improves it to 55.5, still worse than Oregon. Alabama's average oppoent is 52.8.
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Not that it will happen because i think one or two undefeated teams lose, but OSU vs Oregon in the Rose and Bama vs FSU in the BCS would be freaking awesome and a perfect ending to the BCS.
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What it comes down to is we need to root for Oregon or Bama to lose. There is just no way around the fact that FSU would be the team left out if all 3 finish undefeated.
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Not that it will happen because i think one or two undefeated teams lose, but OSU vs Oregon in the Rose and Bama vs FSU in the BCS would be freaking awesome and a perfect ending to the BCS.
Then the winners could play each other. Someone should come up with a system like that.
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I say we wait a couple weeks to see who loses and how it shakes out. The top 3 all have hard games coming up and any of them could easily lose. The national championship was ORE v KSU last year until it wasn't.
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I say we wait a couple weeks to see who loses and how it shakes out. The top 3 all have hard games coming up and any of them could easily lose. The national championship was ORE v KSU last year until it wasn't.
Totally agree and most of us have said so earlier in this thread. Odds are great that two of the top four teams will lose.

This is a message board so people will also still talk about things that make no real world sense.
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Don't lie guys you want to see a Northern Illinois vs Fresno State national title game.
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I say we wait a couple weeks to see who loses and how it shakes out. The top 3 all have hard games coming up and any of them could easily lose. The national championship was ORE v KSU last year until it wasn't.
I wouldn't say FSU has hard games left. Miami is undefeated but they are not very good. Florida is even worse. Then they play the winner of Miami/Virginia Tech, both of whom stink.

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I wouldn't say FSU has hard games left. Miami is undefeated but they are not very good. Florida is even worse. Then they play the winner of Miami/Virginia Tech, both of whom stink.
If we have to play Miami twice, I'm not going to like it.

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They are big rivalries though. Even when one team sucks it is more often than not still a tight game.
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They are big rivalries though. Even when one team sucks it is more often than not still a tight game.
Only one of the last 8 Florida-Florida State games has been a one score game.
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2013: Alabama, FSU, Oregon, Ohio State, and Baylor go undefeated. Kind of unfair to leave Baylor out of it.
Yeah that's not going to happen. At least one of those schools is going to lose. I'd bet anything on it.
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You say the first five games would be terrible. I disagree slightly. I think UCF and Fesno would give FSU and Stanford a game. Both would lose but neither would be huge blowouts. I just think if you are going to have a playoff, every conference champion deserves to get in. Every other sport does it so I don't see why FBS can't too.
Because most sports give out something in the range of 10-15 scholarships. Football gives out 85. The differences between the haves and the have nots is much bigger in football, which is why they desperately need to split the 5 big conferences (ACC, Big12, B1G, SEC, Pac 12) away from the other conferences (AAC, Mtn West, MAC, CUSA, SUN) so that they have their own championship that they have a legitimate shot at.
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Yeah that's not going to happen. At least one of those schools is going to lose. I'd bet anything on it.
Count on our potent offense to keep up with Baylor and shock them Thanksgiving weekend!
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Because most sports give out something in the range of 10-15 scholarships. Football gives out 85. The differences between the haves and the have nots is much bigger in football, which is why they desperately need to split the 5 big conferences (ACC, Big12, B1G, SEC, Pac 12) away from the other conferences (AAC, Mtn West, MAC, CUSA, SUN) so that they have their own championship that they have a legitimate shot at.
The gap between top FCS teams and the non-AQ conferences is less than the gap between the Big 5 and the non-AQ conferences.
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The gap between top FCS teams and the non-AQ conferences is less than the gap between the Big 5 and the non-AQ conferences.
True, but you're cherry picking teams to make that argument. The top FCS leagues aren't on par with the Mtn West or AAC.
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