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It doesn't work like that. If you make $60K a year then you are going to live a lifestyle that costs $60K a year. If you make $1.5M a year then you are going to live a substantially increased lifestyle.
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I know this is a little off topic but I cannot understand how NFL players end up broke when they're finished playing. Take Martin as an example. He was a second round pick after the rookie wage scale came in. He got approximately a $2m signing bonus and has made about $1m in his career.

So, for 2 years he made about $3m. To put that into perspective. If you worked in a $60k per year job, you would need to work for 50 years to make that. He should be set for life with that kind of money already and he only played for 2 years.
$1 Million house
$150k car
$150k jewelry/food/booze/drugs/parties
$Friends/Family?
$Taxes

You have to be pretty stupid (or maybe "not savvy" is a better way to frame it) but I can totally understand how a person can blow through a few million dollars. Plus these guys are in their early 20's, and most of them probably expect the gravy train to keep on running.

For every dumb player, though, there's another guy who's using his first signing bonus to buy a used car and pay for disability insurance.

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Old 10-31-2013, 09:40 AM    (permalink
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It doesn't work like that. If you make $60K a year then you are going to live a lifestyle that costs $60K a year. If you make $1.5M a year then you are going to live a substantially increased lifestyle.
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You have to be pretty stupid (or maybe "not savvy" is a better way to frame it) but I can totally understand how a person can blow through a few million dollars. Plus these guys are in their early 20's, and most of them probably expect the gravy train to keep on running.

For every dumb player, though, there's another guy who's using his first signing bonus to buy a used car and pay for disability insurance.
But there is a difference as WCH says between dumb guys and smart guys. As an NFL player on average you will maybe earn $10m over a 12 year career. By living a high lifestyle for those years you are being dumb.

The end of your NFL career is an inevitability. The end of your working life isn't until you are around 70 and at that stage most people will have been in some sort of pension scheme and have their own savings.

If, as an NFL player you don't think, "what am I going to do when I am no longer earning millions for playing this game" then frankly you are an idiot
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I know this is a little off topic but I cannot understand how NFL players end up broke when they're finished playing. Take Martin as an example. He was a second round pick after the rookie wage scale came in. He got approximately a $2m signing bonus and has made about $1m in his career.

So, for 2 years he made about $3m. To put that into perspective. If you worked in a $60k per year job, you would need to work for 50 years to make that. He should be set for life with that kind of money already and he only played for 2 years.
Oh, where I live if you make 3 million dollars in one year, you effective combined (local, state, federal) marginal tax rate of over 50%. Granted that's not true everywhere, but just for federal, it's 39.6%. Plus an additional 2-3% to your agent and another $25000 (at last check, it may have gone back down) per year in NFLPA dues.

Now subtract out a million dollars for a house and how much do you have left?



I have difficulty understanding how guys like Antoine Walker or Mark Brunell can go bankrupt. But a guy who made 3 million dollars in 2 years? No, that's not that hard to envision in this day and age imo.
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Umm, I'm sure this guy is a Stanford grad. He doesn't need to play football.
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Oh, where I live if you make 3 million dollars in one year, you effective combined (local, state, federal) marginal tax rate of over 50%. Granted that's not true everywhere, but just for federal, it's 39.6%. Plus an additional 2-3% to your agent and another $25000 (at last check, it may have gone back down) per year in NFLPA dues.

Now subtract out a million dollars for a house and how much do you have left?



I have difficulty understanding how guys like Antoine Walker or Mark Brunell can go bankrupt. But a guy who made 3 million dollars in 2 years? No, that's not that hard to envision in this day and age imo.
That is a good point, however I still think it is not an unrealistic expectation to assume people who make this type of money can live on it.

For instance, $1m for a house which he could pay off in one go, ie no more mortgage payments. A car he can pay off at once. And, I believe the taxes in Florida are less than in other places, hence one of the reasons Revis wanted to be in Tampa.

So, say after everything Martin has paid out in taxes, house, car, agent, NFLPA etc, he should still have well over $500k.

If he put that in the bank and even got a job which paid $20k per year he should still be pretty well off.
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Well this is an extremely simplistic and entirely wrong point-of-view.
I absolutely agree it's simplistic, but I guess that's because I don't have any sympathy for this particular scenario and get a bit flustered when others do.

It's tough for me to relate when someone throws away this kind of chance (aka to play a game for a living for ungodly sums of money) for any reason at all: drugs, too many feels, being a murderer, etc.

If the guy has serious emotional problems then he should have a team to support him and it sounds like hes getting that, but you still need to show up. its still absurd to me that anyone could defend him walking out on the job because of a prank or someone called him rudy cool. Imagine if this guy had to work in a construction yard or in a high pressure office -- it's laughable to me.

Definitely just my personal POV though.
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We make money because it allows us to live the life we want to live. If making that money makes you completely miserable, then clearly you're not living the life you want to live. There's many ways to love comfortably or happily without making millions. And I have a lot of respect for other people who make that call. Guys who want the millions n blow it cause they're lazy, criminals or whatever I have no sympathy for, but if playing the game makes you so miserable you walk off in the middle of lunch, well that's a different story.
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Chances are both sides have to shoulder some blame. It sounds like the atmosphere and cafeteria prank is equivalent to high school drama and Martin responded accordingly.

My guess is more along the lines of Martin being ostracized and this was the last straw. Basically, it was something akin to bullying and Martin walked.

Also, there's no way he's set for life. He was a second round pick last year and signed a 4/4 deal. 2M in signing bonus but that's likely not payed all up front. He may have made a gross in the 2M neighborhood last year and is not even halfway through his second season @ 600K which he may lose portions of due to his absence.
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My guess is more along the lines of Martin being ostracized and this was the last straw. Basically, it was something akin to bullying and Martin walked.

This. There is no way that he reacted like this because of an isolated, harmless joke. There is more to this.

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The bold part is the part that makes them child-like. Adults (read: average citizens past college / past the age of 20) deal with these circumstances in a better fashion than the head-line grabbing NFL players do. The majority of NFL players don't act like this, and he shouldn't either. If he has a mental problem, that needs to be addressed and this behavior can be excused.
average people dont go from being broke college students to multi-millionare star athletes overnight at the age of 21. Sudden success is whats hard to handle, and average people dont have to handle that. So that comparison doesnt really work.

The majority of NFL players have it pretty well together, and thats why they remain professionals. Those who dont generally have short careers, even if they are talented. I dont know what Jonathan Martins deal is, but whatever it is he will need to figure it out and pull it together or he will have a short-lived career.
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Looks like we finally know what happened.

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If I were an owner, GM, or coach, I'd have a zero-tolerance policy for hazing. We hear about this garbage every so often, when a team crosses the line, and everybody says something like "Oh, that's part of being a team. My High School football team did that sort of thing all the time." Good. Great. You were acting like a jackass when you were 17 because some 14 year old got bumped up to varsity. We expect 17 year old kids to act like jackasses.

When you're in your 20's and 30's and you have a contract with an NFL team, you're an adult and a professional. Act like it.

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If I were an owner, GM, or coach, I'd have a zero-tolerance policy for hazing. We hear about this garbage every so often, when a team crosses the line, and everybody says something like "Oh, that's part of being a team. My High School football team did that sort of thing all the time." Good. Great. You were acting like a jackass when you were 17 and some 14 year old got bumped up to varsity. We expect 17 year old kids to act like jackasses.

When you're in your 20's and 30's and you have a contract with an NFL team, you're an adult and a professional. Act like it.
This, it's appalling how many people are just like "It's football, it's a different world". No it's harrassment, and it's opening the organization up for a lawsuit.
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I do think there is a difference from the rookie hazing stunts that we've all heard about and outright harassment which this appears to be. Also, this isn't rookie hazing as evidenced by the fact that Martin is no longer a ******* rookie. He was drafted in 2012. Most rookies know at some point they are going to be pranked/hazed and accept it as a right of passage, but for it to become repeated and carry over from season to season is bullying/harassment. Unfortunately, it is an impossible line to draw between the two so I agree that the only option would be to outlaw all hazing.
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If they release him, the Steelers could use him, seeing how Ben is being sacked all over the place. The same goes for the Giants and Eli, to a lesser extent.
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Martin posted on his private Facebook "Happy Halloween, don't believe everything you read."

Not sure if/what that points to but this whole situation sucks. I like Martin more than most other Phins fans I know.
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um this guy has been AWOL from a job that pays him millions because he can't get along with his co-workers, he either has severe, drastically life altering mental issues or he's a baby. I can understand needing an emotional break or something but get real with this prank business.
you know nothing about social anxiety disorders so please don't act like you know what's wrong.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:51 PM    (permalink
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Martin posted on his private Facebook "Happy Halloween, don't believe everything you read."

Not sure if/what that points to but this whole situation sucks. I like Martin more than most other Phins fans I know.
The way the media has covered it is all based on an inside source (some player) saying it was a prank and Martin flipped out. It has been plastered everywhere as an emotional breakdown and the Dolphins organization has done nothing to dispel that notion. My guess is that he's saying he didn't have an emotional breakdown. He simply got fed up with the BS and left.

Martin, imo, is in a no-win spot with the way this story has gone. He walked away so he's somehow the bad guy and had a breakdown. If he had knocked a few heads around instead, then what would he be?
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If I were an owner, GM, or coach, I'd have a zero-tolerance policy for hazing. We hear about this garbage every so often, when a team crosses the line, and everybody says something like "Oh, that's part of being a team. My High School football team did that sort of thing all the time." Good. Great. You were acting like a jackass when you were 17 because some 14 year old got bumped up to varsity. We expect 17 year old kids to act like jackasses.

When you're in your 20's and 30's and you have a contract with an NFL team, you're an adult and a professional. Act like it.
Well I'm sure anyone who saw the Dolphins Hard Knocks knows that Joe Philbin commands the respect of the room and won't put up with this behavior!

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My guess is that he's saying he didn't have an emotional breakdown. He simply got fed up with the BS and left.

Martin, imo, is in a no-win spot with the way this story has gone. He walked away so he's somehow the bad guy and had a breakdown. If he had knocked a few heads around instead, then what would he be?
I don't know why, but this has always been my gut feeling, too. I mean, if a bunch of teammates are hazing a guy... and he throws his tray down and leaves... should anyone really expect them to say, "We were ostracizing our right tackle and making his life difficult on a daily basis, until one day, after we all refused to sit with him at lunch, he told us to **** ourselves and walked out of the cafeteria." ? No, they're going to say, "EVVVVVERYONE gets hazed, Martin just couldn't handlezzzzz it because he's a big emotional baby and needed to go see a therapist." *turns back to teammates and gives an "awwww-riiiiight" high-five.*
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Like, why does Philbin even need to say he's been excused for a "non-football illness?" Every single person who reads that thinks, "mental problems." Just say he's left the team for personal reasons. They sound like they're covering their asses in anticipation of a lawsuit.
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I think you have to designate it with the NFL that it's a non football related injury.
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