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Old 11-07-2013, 12:50 PM    (permalink
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Again, they still have the franchise tag, so if you expect this to play out it's not going to happen until 2015.
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Why franchise a guy you have no intention of keeping?

When you draft a qb you give him the keys immediately. No one sits anymore.
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Why franchise a guy you have no intention of keeping?

When you draft a qb you give him the keys immediately. No one sits anymore.
Picking in the 17-22 range isn't really great for getting a great QB. They can franchise Cutler, pick a guy in the 3rd (Murray or McCarron). He can sit for a year. If Trestman think the young guy is ready, they let Cutler hit free agency. If not, resign him to a long-term deal.
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Cutler better play just as well as McCown.
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What? You think in such black and white absolutes.

You franchise Cutler because you can keep him around for one year without committing 100 million dollars to him, that's why...

And as jrd said, the likelyhood is that we would draft someone in the 3rd or 4th round, not with our first pick. This is an aging team with a lot of spots to refill.
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What? You think in such black and white absolutes.

You franchise Cutler because you can keep him around for one year without committing 100 million dollars to him, that's why...

And as jrd said, the likelyhood is that we would draft someone in the 3rd or 4th round, not with our first pick. This is an aging team with a lot of spots to refill.
I hate the idea of getting a qb in the later rounds as your future plan at qb. If you need a qb you take one in the 1st and move on.

If Cutler isn't the guy, I'm not wasting a year of my life stringing along with him. I move on immediately and take my guy in the 1st. The qb grows with the rebuild and by year 4 when the team is built up you make a title run. You don't rebuild the roster then get a qb. You do both at the same time so they both peak at the same time.

Cutler is either your guy or he isn't. The only reason I see tagging him is if you think you can trade him for a 1st after you tag him. If not, it's a waste of time and you're better off letting him walk.
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I don't like the idea of not getting a QB in round 1 either. But the Bears are going to be drafting in the late teens or early 20s. I'm not really giddy about the choices there.
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The late 1st early 2nd is going to have a lot of options at qb this year. Boyd, Carr, Mettenburger, Manziel, maybe Hundley. There are plenty of options there.
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The late 1st early 2nd is going to have a lot of options at qb this year. Boyd, Carr, Mettenburger, Manziel, maybe Hundley. There are plenty of options there.
Meh, I think he'll go higher, I'd be fine with him, HELL NO, I don't think he delcares.
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If Cutler isn't the guy, I'm not wasting a year of my life stringing along with him. I move on immediately and take my guy in the 1st. The qb grows with the rebuild and by year 4 when the team is built up you make a title run. You don't rebuild the roster then get a qb. You do both at the same time so they both peak at the same time.

Cutler is either your guy or he isn't. The only reason I see tagging him is if you think you can trade him for a 1st after you tag him. If not, it's a waste of time and you're better off letting him walk.
All of this is nonsense.

Every season is a new season. The Ravens weren't sure of Flacco's value and franchised him, then won the Superbowl with him in that one year. That was a good move. It was the giving him 120 million that was dumb.
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Ryan, Flacco and Romo are all durable, while Cutler seems to get injured every year. That's the big reason Cutler may not get a contract in the same area as those guys.
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All of this is nonsense.

Every season is a new season. The Ravens weren't sure of Flacco's value and franchised him, then won the Superbowl with him in that one year. That was a good move. It was the giving him 120 million that was dumb.
The Ravens didn't franchise Flacco.

And that situation was different because they weren't in a position to draft a qb either, nor did they have a regime change.

This is a deep qb draft, with a new regime who has no ties to Cutler, with an organization that is rebuilding. Completely different circumstances. They're not comparable at all.
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The QBs you listed all sound terrible, so if this is a deep draft it must not make it to 17-22 (except for Hundley, who isn't falling that far)

And I don't think the Bears are rebuilding, I think they are smartly doing what a lot of franchises are doing, which is not giving long extensions to mediocre players over 30.
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No they're not. This forum is overly critical of qb prospects in general. Not everyone is going to be Andrew Luck.
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While I would agree with the point about people being overly critical of qbs on this board, the point is that you don't use a 1st round pick on mostly 2nd and 3rd round talents, which is what you're listing there.

This QB draft is deep on 2nd-4th round guys.
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Hundley probably will stay in school and Manziel will most likely be gone by the Texans pick so not sure about those two being there. Boyd and Carr might be worth the gamble.
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How are you so sure Manziel is going the Texans? Just because he's from Texas don't mean squat. People were harping the same thing about the Jags and Tebow.
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I feel like you're sort of contradicting yourself here. The draft is different every year in the available talent at various positions, and this upcoming draft is, as you say, deep at quarterback. It's not like last year's draft where there are a couple guys that look like slam dunks, but there are a solid half-dozen who look like they could be franchise quarterbacks, depending on how they continue to develop. So... I just don't see it as a matter of needing to draft a quarterback in the first round, particularly this year given the Bears' situation and the upcoming talent. In a drier year people might be making AJ McCarron out to be the next Matt Ryan, but with a deeper field he's going to fall a bit. It's funner to say Mariota's the next Kaepernick. You've got guys like Boyd who might be 1st round picks in a parallel universe, but are going to fall because of a deep field and other prospects who are viewed as either safer or more exciting; Bridewater, Manziel, Mariota, Hundley, etc.

If none of those guys are in the draft, we'd be seeing seeing Boyd rise to the EJ Manuel range. In a deep class, who knows - maybe he falls into the late second or third. If you're got a QB who's good enough but could be better, then maybe this year is a good one to draft a QB in the early middle rounds. You're not making a rule that says, "Its a good idea to draft a quarterback in the 2nd-3rd round if you're not sure about your starter;" it's "Hey, there's a quarterback here who might've gone in the first round in a different year - we should take him and see what he can do."
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How are you so sure Manziel is going the Texans? Just because he's from Texas don't mean squat. People were harping the same thing about the Jags and Tebow.
Yeah, just because he's from Texas. If he were from Arkansas he'd most certainly get drafted by the Cowboys.

What i'm doing is giving an opinion. Texans need a playmaker at that position and he will probably be there when they are picking. If it makes you feel better i would say they'd probably take Teddy or Mariota if they had a top 2 pick.
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Yeah, just because he's from Texas. If he were from Arkansas he'd most certainly get drafted by the Cowboys.

What i'm doing is giving an opinion. Texans need a playmaker at that position and he will probably be there when they are picking. If it makes you feel better i would say they'd probably take Teddy or Mariota if they had a top 2 pick.
But you've pretty much said that you're certain if he's there when the Texans are picking, they'll pick him. It's only November...they might not even like him as a prospect. Projecting any player to one team is impossible, especially this early and with a player who's stock could fluctuate a lot in the next 6 months.
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The Bears are going to win the division, advance to at least the second round of the playoffs, and Cutler is going to be back in Chicago, probably under a new contract.

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But you've pretty much said that you're certain if he's there when the Texans are picking, they'll pick him. It's only November...they might not even like him as a prospect. Projecting any player to one team is impossible, especially this early and with a player who's stock could fluctuate a lot in the next 6 months.
Not sure I said certain but I say a lot of things that I hope people don't run off and bet money on. To me it's a perfect fit and I guess the fact he plays his ball in texas doesn't hurt but I'd still predict it if he lived in another state.

I would hope people would take predictions for what they're worth and leave it at that.
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I can't tell if you're being serious here or joking?
So if the Bears franchise Josh McWho? and put him on the block before the draft, do they get two first rounders, or, like...three firsts and a couple of seconds?

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I think Bears HC Trestman might be the best QB coach in the league, which I'm sure has something to do with McCown's emergence.
Hoooooooooo boy. Someone skipped drinking the kool-aid and went right to snorting the mix from the packet.
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All of this is nonsense.

Every season is a new season. The Ravens weren't sure of Flacco's value and franchised him, then won the Superbowl with him in that one year. That was a good move. It was the giving him 120 million that was dumb.
What should they have done? Let him walk?

I don't get this idea that's being thrown around now. That the Ravens were stupid to give Flacco such a huge deal. They absolutely had to. There was no alternative. Is he overpaid when you compare him dollar-for-dollar with other QBs? Sure. But they had no choice but to pay him that or lose their Super Bowl-winning QB.
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