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Old 04-05-2007, 01:56 PM    (permalink
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In your opinion, who is the best at their position by the largest amount?

To start things off, I'm going to say I easily think it is Bailey being better than the rest of the cornerbacks. Second... Ed Reed at safety.
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Urlacher at middle linebacker, and I don't think I'm being a homer at all.

Who is second? Zach Thomas? Vilma? Right now I'd say Urlacher is leaps and bounds above either.

Then probably Bailey.
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Rex Grossman...he's doing amazing compared to all other 3rd string QBs
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Ed Reed isn't that far ahead of the pack in terms of ability. He's arguably the best safety in the game. He's not the clear-cut number 1.
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Rex Grossman...he's doing amazing compared to all other 3rd string QBs
haha, yeah he puts all the other clipboard holders to shame...

What about Lorenzo Neal at FB? There are other good ones but I don't think any have had the positive impact he did on the RB's behind him (see LT stats 2006) and with the ball on third and short (He got it almost every single time)
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I think Peyton Manning, especially now that he's won a Super Bowl, is still pretty far ahead of others in the league.
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No way. There are far too many people that consider Tom Brady better than him to give him the nod there. I wouldn't even say he's the consensus #1, although I consider him to be.
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haha, yeah he puts all the other clipboard holders to shame...

What about Lorenzo Neal at FB? There are other good ones but I don't think any have had the positive impact he did on the RB's behind him (see LT stats 2006) and with the ball on third and short (He got it almost every single time)
well can you clasify Alstott as a FB? I personally wouldn't but some do...but your right he's really the only one that stands out, although I don't think he's leaps and bounds ahead because I think there are many FBs that are just as good but don't get any attention
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I think Peyton Manning, especially now that he's won a Super Bowl, is still pretty far ahead of others in the league.
I could easily, very easily in fact, give you my case for Tom Brady being the best QB in the NFL.
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well can you clasify Alstott as a FB? I personally wouldn't but some do...but your right he's really the only one that stands out, although I don't think he's leaps and bounds ahead because I think there are many FBs that are just as good but don't get any attention
Yeah it's just like linemen, most don't get recognition until they're older and over-established.
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I could easily, very easily in fact, give you my case for Tom Brady being the best QB in the NFL.
Yeah I was going to say the same thing about that. Personally I think Manning is still the best QB in the game, but guys like Brady and Palmer IMO are right up there with him.
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Brady is really good, but Peyton has more physical talent. If Carson Palmer can put together another year like he did in 2005, he could easily have a strong case. I will relent and back off my other statements.
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Alstott is not a good run blocker and never really was. He is a big RB that somehow got the FB label. He has a bunch of Pro Bowl nods as a non-blocking FB. Good player, but not the best at anything.
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right well I don't consider him a FB really...but production wise and the fact that he is a good blocker from a RB standpoint I think would make him the top FB, but again thats by RB standards not FB so I don't think he is a good FB
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I would be on board with Urlacher being the best at his position. The problem is that at least 1/3 of the teams in the league run a 3-4 D, which has different MLB responsibilities. When you do that, you shrink the pool of names. Even if this wasn't the case, Urlacher would probably be the consensus best. 2 years ago, Ray Lewis and Urlacher would be the best, but that's not the case anymore.
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Hmmm...this is a great question. I don't think its crazy to say Devin Hester.
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Who are the premier DTs nowadays? Last one I remember who was anything special was Warren Sapp back in the Dungy-Bay days. Point is, I bet there's a candidate at that position. Only one I know who's considered really good is Tommie Harris, but I don't really know him well enough to talk about him.
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right well I don't consider him a FB really...but production wise and the fact that he is a good blocker from a RB standpoint I think would make him the top FB, but again thats by RB standards not FB so I don't think he is a good FB
If you're a good fullback, you barely get recognition and essentially don't show up in the stat sheet. That is why guys like Jameel Cook and Lorenzo Neal are among the better FB's in the game.
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I was ready to say Urlacher until BBD mentioned Hester. Hmm.
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I was ready to say Urlacher until BBD mentioned Hester. Hmm.
Seriously, I think he's probably has the largest margin compared to his peers.

Unless you want to throw Vinatieri in the mix? Another special teamer...
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There are a lot of good DT's in the league: Henderson, Stroud, Tommie Harris, Shawn Rodgers, Jamal Williams, Kevin Williams, and Casey Hampton immediately come to mind.
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Seriously, I think he's probably has the largest margin compared to his peers.

Unless you want to throw Vinatieri in the mix? Another special teamer...
I wasn't even thinking about special teamers, but now that it's mentioned I would have to agree on Hester. I don't think any other special teams guy had that kind of impact with that rookie season he had, plus considering he is still very raw.
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The truth is, every position has someone who's close to them. Every single position.

The only positions I can think of with a clearcut #1 who is lightyears ahead of his peers are Devin Hester for special teams (although you can make an argument that Pacman Jones was almost as good) and Vinitieri for kickers (throw Stover in the mix as his competition).
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