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Old 11-14-2013, 11:05 PM    (permalink
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Also, bye bye Munchack. And new coach usually = new QB.

They'll have to be in a spot to take one they like, but I don't think Locker and his constant injuries will prohibit a new coach from taking a guy he likes.
I think Munchak's pretty secure. As for Locker he'll be competing for a job next year. They'll probably draft someone in the 4th or 5th round as insurance. Hold off on your hate for Locker for a while longer.
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I think Munchak's pretty secure. As for Locker he'll be competing for a job next year. They'll probably draft someone in the 4th or 5th round as insurance. Hold off on your hate for Locker for a while longer.
What?

Unless they come back insanely strong and make the playoffs or something, Munchack is gone.

And Locker has been below average and unable to stay on the field. He'd be extremely lucky for a new coach to come in, not like any QBs in the draft, and give him the keys again.
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What?

Unless they come back insanely strong and make the playoffs or something, Munchack is gone.

And Locker has been below average and unable to stay on the field. He'd be extremely lucky for a new coach to come in, not like any QBs in the draft, and give him the keys again.
I think the Titans can still finish the season with a good enough record that Locker is better than the QBs available.
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I think the Titans can still finish the season with a good enough record that Locker is better than the QBs available.
That's fair. But the new coach isn't going to plan the future for Locker. Locker would have to A) stay healthy, B) improve drastically, especially his accuracy to keep a starting job, and that's if you're right and they don't take a guy high.

I don't see it happening. There are a set of ideal circumstances that would allow Locker to lead an NFL team to contention with his raw talent. But he's simply never at any level shown the ability to consistently make throws from the pocket, which is the essence of playing the position in this league.
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What?

Unless they come back insanely strong and make the playoffs or something, Munchack is gone.

And Locker has been below average and unable to stay on the field. He'd be extremely lucky for a new coach to come in, not like any QBs in the draft, and give him the keys again.
Why is it Munchak's fault that Kenny Britt stinks, Chance Warmack has underachieved and the QB keeps getting hurt.
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Why is it Munchak's fault that Kenny Britt stinks, Chance Warmack has underachieved and the QB keeps getting hurt.
It's a results business. He's got a top 5 CB duo, a stud DT, decent WRs, a star tailback who's regressed as a player under his watch, a good OL, etc. His team has talent and plays in a light division. He should also be held accountable to some degree for selecting Locker and for being unable to coach up Locker as anything more than a guy who can hit a few big plays and has great mobility. Who's career as a Titan or at least the 'QB of the future' label might end with a 4-for-9, one pick performance against an 0-8 team.
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That's fair. But the new coach isn't going to plan the future for Locker. Locker would have to A) stay healthy, B) improve drastically, especially his accuracy to keep a starting job, and that's if you're right and they don't take a guy high.

I don't see it happening. There are a set of ideal circumstances that would allow Locker to lead an NFL team to contention with his raw talent. But he's simply never at any level shown the ability to consistently make throws from the pocket, which is the essence of playing the position in this league.
Why do we always assume that the new coach won't like the current QB?

It makes sense in cases like Gabbert who was ******* terrible, but was starting because he was the top pick. But Locker has played fairly well when he has been healthy. He was the 8th overall pick for a reason, and hasn't shown that he's a bust yet. He still has just as much, if not more, potential that any QB the Titans could get at 13-17. If they had a shot at Teddy, yeah take him. But where they'll be picking I think you have to give Locker another year.
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Why do we always assume that the new coach won't like the current QB?

It makes sense in cases like Gabbert who was ******* terrible, but was starting because he was the top pick. But Locker has played fairly well when he has been healthy. He was the 8th overall pick for a reason, and hasn't shown that he's a bust yet. He still has just as much, if not more, potential that any QB the Titans could get at 13-17. If they had a shot at Teddy, yeah take him. But where they'll be picking I think you have to give Locker another year.
No he hasn't.

I'm assuming the new coach won't like the current QB because the current QB has done absolutely nothing in his career that would lead anyone to believe he's someone you'd want to build around as a franchise QB.

He's not accurate or particularly smart with the ball and constantly gets hurt. Theoretically he could improve in ALL of those areas and become a good QB. Not to mention after he's instructed to stop running as much because of the injuries when his athleticism is the best part of his game and only thing that makes him even a competitive NFL player. And his year-to-year improvement at every level has been so small it's tough to project that he's going to turn the corner and make huge strides going forward.

The 13-17 range will have some guys teams might like. And if Webster/new coach don't like anyone, I do think Locker will get a shot. But that speaks more to the lack of QBs around than Locker.
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What?

Unless they come back insanely strong and make the playoffs or something, Munchack is gone.

And Locker has been below average and unable to stay on the field. He'd be extremely lucky for a new coach to come in, not like any QBs in the draft, and give him the keys again.
Locker hasn't been below average when healthy this year...injuries are an issue with him, but he was playing well.
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He has only started 18 games. He hasn't played well for an veteran NFL QB, but for someone with his experience, yes, he has played fairly well. Not all young QBs are going to be Russell Wilson/Andrew Luck right away.

And I disagree, I think he has improved significantly since last year.

All that said, I'm really not a Locker supporter. I think, right now, Ryan Fitzpatrick is a better QB. However, he does have that potential, and I think it'd be better to keep the first round pick and see if he can develop rather than take a chance on someone like Manziel or Mettenberger.
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Has Jake Locker ever been healthy and a good QB? (sorry Babylon). He was probably over drafted in the first place. I don't think people should be that surprised with the outcome of his time in the NFL. There is definitely something there to be intrigued by. I couldn't depend on him to save my job though.
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For me Locker has always been rated as the same type of player he was as a junior. They saw his skillset and said, based on progression he could be a great player. But in all reality, he hasn't made that much progression since then which has got to be a worry.

He can make nice shot plays and has plus athleticism, but his inability to be consistent combined with his injury concerns have got to be major red flags for whoever is in charge of this team next year.
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Locker was progressing this season before the injuries. It's easy to talk about replacing him, but the reality is I think it's going to be hard for the Titans to find a clear upgrade for him in the draft or FA.

I do think Tennessee drafts a QB to compete with Locker for the starting job in 2014.

Please don't call Kyle Shanahan. He has a job. Thanx Titans.
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Locker was progressing this season before the injuries. It's easy to talk about replacing him, but the reality is I think it's going to be hard for the Titans to find a clear upgrade for him in the draft or FA.

I do think Tennessee drafts a QB to compete with Locker for the starting job in 2014.

Please don't call Kyle Shanahan. He has a job. Thanx Titans.
It's a tough situation to be in. Locker has gotten better but not at the rate required IMO. He is by no means the worst starter in the league but after 3 years he isn't even in the top 20.

When it comes to replacing him the Titans need to take a few things into consideration. Do they try to move up in the draft to get a QB? Is that even an option?

Do they make a bold move for someone like Roethlisberger or Cutler?

But this issue isn't just one for the Titans. There are a large number of teams who have a QB who is just good enough to avoid being replaced but not good enough to be a difference maker. That's probably the worst situation to be in.
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This. If the team has a chance to nab a franchise QB they should but they don't have to reach to get it done. I think regardless of who is coaching he'll compete for the job next season against a mid round rookie. If he doesn't progress as expected next season all bets are off for him.
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So Donald Brown and Knowshon Moreno both have come from being terrible players to looking like very good RBs this year despite their teams having brought in multiple players to replace them.

There is hope for Daniel Thomas yet.
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Didn't know if it was thread worthy yet, but the talk of Adrian Peterson being traded and his quote about understanding if he is. Do you think he wants to, despite his claims wanting to stay? What should the Vikes do and who'd he be traded to?

I personally am a Colts fan and even pre-Trent trade I wish we would've saved that first round pick for something of better quality, i.e. a possible AD trade. Maybe we can somehow swap Trent & picks for AD! (wishful thinking) but just interested to see opinions and thoughts on this.
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Who would you rather trade for? Jordan Reed or Coby Fleener?
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So Donald Brown and Knowshon Moreno both have come from being terrible players to looking like very good RBs this year despite their teams having brought in multiple players to replace them.

There is hope for Daniel Thomas yet.
Hopefully your team gives him as many chances as possible.
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Just to give my opinion on the Jake Locker and Mike Munchak situation.

I still believe Mike Munchak could be a good coach in the right situation, and if the had been able to land Peyton Manning we'd be singing his praises right now, but anyone can win with Manning. With that said, it's not Lockers fault that Munch has been losing games. Thus far in his 3 year coaching career he's managed a 19-23 record, and a 4-11 division record. If you can't win in your division you don't deserve to be a head coach.

Pair that with his inability to pull games out, last season we saw he and his coaching staff nearly blow a big lead on Detroit, only to pull off a lucky win in overtime. We saw them blow a lead against the Colts last season only to lose. This season we've seen them blow the lead against Houston to lose in overtime, and blow a lead against the Colts to lose.

Not to mention in 2011 he gave the 0-13 colts their first win of the season (a game that we really needed to win for a playoff spot) and this year we saw the 0-8 Jaguars come away with a win.

Now, I don't think it's entirely Munchaks fault, I think he lets his assistants have a little too much say instead of telling them what he wants, but that is his job to tell the others what to do. Last night was a prime example, running the ball, with a lot of counters and pulling, CJ is having a huge first half. We are running primarily man coverage and Luck doesn't know what to do with the ball, he's inaccurate and just a mess. The 2nd half we get away from that (which mind you the tides had turned based on 17-6 halftime lead which quickly went to a 20-17 trailing due to poor special teams fumble). But the defense switches to a soft zone for most of the game and Luck picks them apart. Gregg Williams has been known to switch to zones late in games, but Munchak needs to step in and say No.

As for Locker, he's proven enough to warrant a competition for the starting job next year, He'll cost 4m next season whether he's on the team or not, so he might as well be on the team. Us Titans fans have been discussing QB options moving forward and there's some strong possibilities for us. It really depends on if we have a new coach, which most of us are hoping for.

There's a lot of talented guys in the draft, although I think many of them are projected much too high for where they're actually going to go, there's still talent there to work with. Personally, I'd love to see Kyle Shanahan, David Shaw, Jay Gruden, Lovie Smith, Greg Roman or Darrell Bevell.

Right now my favorites are David Shaw and Jay Gruden, but that could change.
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David Shaw apparently has no intention of leaving college football.

If he did, he'd be #1 on everyone's list.
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David Shaw apparently has no intention of leaving college football.

If he did, he'd be #1 on everyone's list.
I understand that''s what the report is, but that's what everyone says until they sign with an NFL team.
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I understand that''s what the report is, but that's what everyone says until they sign with an NFL team.
He's waiting for Coughlin to retire so he can coach Eli to a 3rd championship.

K? Thnx.
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