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Old 11-20-2013, 07:22 PM    (permalink
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1. Because unfortunately that's the way the world works.

2. As of this point she hasn't "cared enough" to come forward.
1. No it doesn't. Something would have had to happen, whether it was rape, consensual sex, or them just being at the same place at the same time, something would have had to happen. If what you say is true, and he has witnesses and alibis for when it happened, then nothing at all would have happened. So why settle if nothing occurred between the two.

Now, there are cases where someone will willingly sleep with someone, regret it, and claim rape. But again, if this happened, has anyone come forward and admitted they hooked up or even hung out?

2. She went to the police. That means she has already come forward to authorities. So why do that before he makes it big if she's only seeking money?
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1. No it doesn't. Something would have had to happen, whether it was rape, consensual sex, or them just being at the same place at the same time, something would have had to happen. If what you say is true, and he has witnesses and alibis for when it happened, then nothing at all would have happened. So why settle if nothing occurred between the two.

Now, there are cases where someone will willingly sleep with someone, regret it, and claim rape. But again, if this happened, has anyone come forward and admitted they hooked up or even hung out?

2. She went to the police. That means she has already come forward to authorities. So why do that before he makes it big if she's only seeking money?
It is extremely common to settle despite a party not actually being guilty, that's horrible logic.
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It is extremely common to settle despite a party not actually being guilty, that's horrible logic.
Yes, if something happened even if legal. If Winston was not ever with her, there's no reason to settle. So he ****** a drunk girl? No one has come out to say that. He would at least had to have been with her the night it happened in order for the accusation to have any legs or for there to be a chance of any settlement.

So if we assume he was with her, then why would there be any mistake about who she's describing? If she's lying, then there'd be no reason to settle. So either shot happened and he doesn't want to admit it, or he wasn't even with her.
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The suspect height in that description shouldn't be taken as an absolute. It's very easy for people, especially victims, to completely mess up. Add in being drunk and possibly emotionally distraught and it's easy to give a mixed up height.

For Winston's personal freedom, he is doing the best thing by saying nothing and letting his lawyer handle it. Don't admit to anything you might contradict later. Let your lawyer protect you.
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The suspect height in that description shouldn't be taken as an absolute. It's very easy for people, especially victims, to completely mess up. Add in being drunk and possibly emotionally distraught and it's easy to give a mixed up height.

For Winston's personal freedom, he is doing the best thing by saying nothing and letting his lawyer handle it. Don't admit to anything you might contradict later. Let your lawyer protect you.
Yeah, the sickening thing is that it's sounding like the tPD covered up a rape. No DNA testing? Victim intimidation? Sitting on a case and only informing the suspect of its status?

A whole bunch of **** is just not right. What a systemic let down.
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Deadspin has a nice writeup on the cover up job that the TPD appears to have carried out. These paragraphs were the most alarming to me.

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The victim was devastated when she learned late last week that the Tallahassee Police Department had informed Winston's attorney as far back as February, which allowed him all of this time to create his defense and prepare his witnesses. The victim cannot fathom that the state attorney's office was not given the same opportunity.

The family was shocked to hear that Winston's attorney was not only aware of the case but had been told by Tallahassee Police Department that the case had been closed in February. All the while, the family was awaiting blood work results until early April.
Here's the family of the victim's statement. They ask some pretty good questions at the end.
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Sean McGuire is going to have a chance to QB a team to a national championship.

Wonder if they fall in the polls even if they keep on winning like they are without Winston.
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This Winston case is turning into a nightmare. It seems like just yesterday Winston was on top of the world. Likely Heisman winner, possible national champ, favorite to be the #1 pick, etc. It's really frustrating to see FSU fans jumping to conclusions about the girl's motivations, but I still feel a little bad for them. If he did what he's being accused of, there's no telling how many people are going down with him. That whole program may be shattered. I'm not a FSU fan and this may continue to push me away from college football. It just seems like you can't simply enjoy the game of college football without feeling constantly bombarded by all the sliminess and negativity surrounding it. Sad.
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He might go with the consensual angle now.


I think it still is going to be very hard to get a conviction because of the time has passed. More time to get witnesses in line and stories straightened out. I still think he will get charged at some point to try to save some face for the legal system.
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This Winston case is turning into a nightmare. It seems like just yesterday Winston was on top of the world. Likely Heisman winner, possible national champ, favorite to be the #1 pick, etc. It's really frustrating to see FSU fans jumping to conclusions about the girl's motivations, but I still feel a little bad for them. If he did what he's being accused of, there's no telling how many people are going down with him. That whole program may be shattered. I'm not a FSU fan and this may continue to push me away from college football. It just seems like you can't simply enjoy the game of college football without feeling constantly bombarded by all the sliminess and negativity surrounding it. Sad.
You bring up good points. Stuff like this is why I'm getting away from it too. Not enjoyable to hear about kids getting raped by football players. Or coaches rapin little kids. Or the million other things that go on.

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Guys, jump on the UCF bandwagon. They've had only 3 guys arrested the last four seasons, their academic progress rate of 975 is just four points from being top-ten in the country, and our star QB already has a large-breasted girlfriend so you don't have to worry about him raping anyone.

So if you are getting jaded by all the scum crawling arounf college football, we'd love to have you at UCF, one of the few clean programs.
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Didn't UCF just get LOIC and a player die a few years ago?

Also man you can't mention Bortles chick like that and not post anything.
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Didn't UCF just get LOIC and a player die a few years ago?

Also man you can't mention Bortles chick like that and not post anything.
Yeah, they had a player die, but the guy had sickle cell anemia which has caused the death of multiple other players. You can't really blame UCF for that. Blame genetics.

UCF won their appeal on this. It was more the basketball program than the football team. It was basically one person who made inappropriate contact with recruits. Not exactly mind-blowing rules violations.



There are better pictures out there but I'm not going to look for them at work.
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Yeah, they had a player die, but the guy had sickle cell anemia which has caused the death of multiple other players. You can't really blame UCF for that. Blame genetics.

UCF won their appeal on this. It was more the basketball program than the football team. It was basically one person who made inappropriate contact with recruits. Not exactly mind-blowing rules violations.



There are better pictures out there but I'm not going to look for them at work.
She looks really smart. I'd love to find out just how smart she is.
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Atta boy Bortles.
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She looks really smart. I'd love to find out just how smart she is.
I've seen her from a distance and she looks even smarter in person. I'm hopinh to see her again next Friday.
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