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Old 01-16-2014, 12:26 PM    (permalink
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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/mock-d...eremiah/175601

Not very good IMO but worth noting who he has as 1st rounders.
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Morgan Moses is probably the most surprising of the guys he has going in the first round.
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Carlos Hyde going to the Browns in the 1st seems a little crazy. I just have to believe that the Richardson trade showed that the Browns don't view RBs as a position worth spending a 1st round pick on. It's not like Hyde is an elite prospect anyways and it's not even clear that he's the #1 RB in this class. It makes much more sense to wait until the 2nd or 3rd to grab one.

Also if Jake Matthews falls to the Lions at #10 I would hope they take him. The value is just too good to pass up at that point IMO and although Reiff wasn't bad at LT last year I still feel he's better suited to the right side and Matthews would be a big upgrade on the left.

Also the Jags passing on a QB with Bridgewater still on the board seems a little ridiculous at this point although I do believe that Barr would fit in well on that team.

Realistically there are a ton of picks that seem strange at this point. Still a long way to go until the draft though so maybe he's just ahead of the curve.....
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I understand zero drafts that don't have the Jags taking a QB.
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As much as the Jags need a QB, you also don't want to draft Christian Ponder or Mark Sanchez
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I understand zero drafts that don't have the Jags taking a QB.
Tankin for Jameis. They'll probably take Watkins.
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Morgan Moses is probably the most surprising of the guys he has going in the first round.
Seeing as he's not very good that is a surprise. Maybe he meant to put Seantrel Henderson in there instead. Another overrated player.
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As much as the Jags need a QB, you also don't want to draft Christian Ponder or Mark Sanchez
So the solution is to be terrible until the next Andrew Luck comes around? If they think that all of Qbs are terrible then that's fine but they're never going to win with Gabbert or Henne leading the team so they absolutely need to take a QB if they think he has a chance of being a franchise guy. Taking a guy like Sammy Watkins isn't going to make this team a consistent winner.
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Eww...Clowney and Watkins get taken and Jags take Anthony Barr? Not sure why we wouldn't take Bridgewater or another QB. Why would CLE, OAK, and MIN take a QB, but not us? Makes zero sense.

I'd rather take Mack, but even then I'd be surprised if we didn't take a QB here.
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So the solution is to be terrible until the next Andrew Luck comes around? If they think that all of Qbs are terrible then that's fine but they're never going to win with Gabbert or Henne leading the team so they absolutely need to take a QB if they think he has a chance of being a franchise guy. Taking a guy like Sammy Watkins isn't going to make this team a consistent winner.
Exactly, but if they don't see Manziel/Bortles/Bridgewater as someone who has a chance of being a franchise guy, they shouldn't take them just to take them. That's all I'm saying. No, Watkins won't turn you around, but he'll be a lot more valuable than another Gabbert. Take the right guy, not just a guy.
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Yeah, no way in hell the Jags pass on a Quarterback.
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Exactly, but if they don't see Manziel/Bortles/Bridgewater as someone who has a chance of being a franchise guy, they shouldn't take them just to take them. That's all I'm saying. No, Watkins won't turn you around, but he'll be a lot more valuable than another Gabbert. Take the right guy, not just a guy.
The Jags aren't in a position to pass on QB prospects who might not pan out as franchise guys.

Jacksonville is in reach mode at his point, even if they aren't in love with a prospect.
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The Jags aren't in a position to pass on QB prospects who might not pan out as franchise guys.

Jacksonville is in reach mode at his point, even if they aren't in love with a prospect.

Reaching for a quarterback is who didn't (I want to say wasn't, because pretty much the entire board called that one) pan out as a franchise guy is how Jacksonville got in their current point.

Or in other words:

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As much as the Jags need a QB, you also don't want to draft Christian Ponder or Mark Sanchez
As much as the Jags need a QB, you also don't want to pass on the next Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees.

As much as the Jags need position players, you don't want to draft the next Derrick Harvey or Justin Blackmon.

Isn't it funny how people remember a bust at QB for years, but miss on a defensive end, and people just pretend it never happened.

If the Jags had their choice of any QB in the Draft, they'd better think long and hard about passing that opportunity up. You don't get that chance often. You can draft position players in rounds 2,3,4,5,6 and 7.
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Like I said earlier, Jeremiah isn't very good at predicting the draft, in fact I'd give this mock an 'D-' overall but it is still worth noting the prospects he has as first rounders which saves it from being a 'F'.
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Reaching for a quarterback is who didn't (I want to say wasn't, because pretty much the entire board called that one) pan out as a franchise guy is how Jacksonville got in their current point.

Or in other words:
I don't agree with that logic at all. Jags can't be super tentative because our old front office drafted a guy in the top 10 off of pure potential. Fact is you can't win in this league without a franchise QB and you have to take some risks to find that guy. Sometimes it pans out, sometimes it doesn't.

FWIW, I don't see Bridgewater or Bortles being anything like Gabbert. Both had better college careers and neither have the same issues as him. I'm not saying they are definitely going to be really good QBs, but if they fail, it will be for completely different reasons than Gabbert.

Honestly, I'd be fine if they grabbed Watkins or Mack or Clowney and then traded back into the first and grabbed Mettenberger. As long as they have a plan to get a franchise QB in this draft (assuming there is one in their minds), it can go a few ways.
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I don't agree with that logic at all. Jags can't be super tentative because our old front office drafted a guy in the top 10 off of pure potential. Fact is you can't win in this league without a franchise QB and you have to take some risks to find that guy. Sometimes it pans out, sometimes it doesn't.

If this is what you think, and if you disagree with my logic, why do you end your post with this?



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It would not surprise me a bit if the Jaguars pass on a QB at 3. I think they end up with Derek Carr (either at the top of the second, trading #3, or trading back into the 1st).
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It would not surprise me a bit if the Jaguars pass on a QB at 3. I think they end up with Derek Carr (either at the top of the second, trading #3, or trading back into the 1st).
I definitely see that as a possibility depending on how things shake out. If Clowney is there at #3 and they feel comfortable with Carr or Garropolo and feel they can get them later I think it would be a fine move. I'd be pretty surprised though if they traded back from #3 to get one of these guys. I guess there are some scenarios where that would make sense but they're pretty unlikely IMO.
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It would not surprise me a bit if the Jaguars pass on a QB at 3. I think they end up with Derek Carr (either at the top of the second, trading #3, or trading back into the 1st).
Oh, that'd be hilarious. If any QB this year is Blaine Gabbert, it's Carr.
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What's wrong with the Jags just grabbing a QB in the 2nd rd if they feel the value if better in another position in the 1st rd?
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Both him and Kiper are having Hyde go in the first to the Browns. That's pretty surprising. I guess the talk is he looks really good or is expected to shoot up boards.

He also has seven wide receivers going in the first round which I feel like is a ton. I haven't seen many mocks with Paul Richardson and Devante Adams in the first.
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Marqise Lee to the Ravens... Go **** yourself Jeremiah.
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What's wrong with the Jags just grabbing a QB in the 2nd rd if they feel the value if better in another position in the 1st rd?
Because look at QBs by the numbers:

7 of the last 8 Super Bowl winning QBs were first rounders. Drew Brees was a second round pick but he was the 32nd pick, which would be first round today.

23 opening day starters (72%) were first round picks.

The success rate of QBs drafted in the second round is awful. Since the league expanded to 32 teams (which excludes Brees) the second round successes are Dalton and Kaepernick. And people are even calling for Dalton to be replaced. The failures are Clausen, Pat White, Brian Brohm, Chad Henne (not quite a failure but completely medicore), Kevin Kolb, John Beck, Drew Stanton, Kellen Clemens, and Tarvaris Jackson.

2 successes, 1 medicore, and 9 complete busts. That is a 75% bust rate. In the same time, first round picks There have been 12 hits, 7 mediocres, and 15 busts for a 44% bust rate. If you need a QB, don't wait. If the guy is good, he will almost certainly go in the first round. If he falls to the second, odds are he isn't good and will bust.
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