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Old 01-20-2014, 05:48 PM    (permalink
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I think we should keep it as it is, but it's not the most outrageous thing that the NFL wants to change. I do wish the NFL could go a year without contemplating some major change though. Even if it meant sacrificing some things I feel should be changed.

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Im on the fence. While I kinda wish they would leave it as it, if they did get rid of it I wouldnt be totally opposed. It would defiantly shake things up a bit.
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I wouldn't mind this at all. I seriously doubt it would ever happen, but I'd be happy with this change.
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How bout you kick the SOBs and review the TD during a commercial if it is a close call.

If it is not a TD who cares that you did the +1. You can just take the points off the board.

The waiting... OK its good. Kick the XP... Commercial time... Kickoff Another commercial....
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This would be a good change. Extra points are completely pointless.
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This would be a good change. Extra points are completely pointless.
No, they're worth 1 point!
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But kickers lose all those points :(
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Kick them from 45 yards or just a longer distance.

- Change the off setting penalties rule. If Team A commits two penalties on a play and Team B commits one penalty they should not cancel out.

- If a team is on their own 5 yard line and commits a 10 yard penalty. Instead of making half the distance to the goal. Make it to ten yards longer for a first down. Maybe give the coach the option for either.
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Kick them from 45 yards or just a longer distance.

- Change the off setting penalties rule. If Team A commits two penalties on a play and Team B commits one penalty they should not cancel out.

- If a team is on their own 5 yard line and commits a 10 yard penalty. Instead of making half the distance to the goal. Make it to ten yards longer for a first down. Maybe give the coach the option for either.
Yeah, right now the penalty system is beyond stupid.

Extra point should be a 45 yarder, 2 point conversion from like the 5 or 10 yard line.

Would make the scoring a lot more interesting.
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Losing a challenge results in the opposing coach kicking the losing coach in the groin at the 50 yard line. One step only, no running start, no cleats.

I think they have to keep extra points because many games are decided by 1pt and like the idea of moving them further out to around 35 yards.

And I think everything should be challengeable.... It's only a few challenges a game, why limit what gets challenged?
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Losing a challenge results in the opposing coach kicking the losing coach in the groin at the 50 yard line. One step only, no running start, no cleats.

I think they have to keep extra points because many games are decided by 1pt and like the idea of moving them further out to around 35 yards.

And I think everything should be challengeable.... It's only a few challenges a game, why limit what gets challenged?
That would make 2 point conversions extremely difficult.

If you were planning to keep the 2 point try at the 2 yard line, Id need to compare the odds of making a 35 yard kick vs the odds of making 2 point doubled.

For example, say 2 point conversions get converted 45% of the time. If teams did this 100 times they'd get 90 points. The odds of making 35 yard kick would need to be over 90% to make it the better option. If it wasn't teams would rarely go for extra point.

Cant find these stats, thought theyd be very easy to find.

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How many injuries occurred on PATs this season?
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Gronkowski was, but he's not a QB so nfl doesn't care.
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I like poopsandwich's idea of 2pt tries from the 5 or 10.
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Apparently they do.
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Kick them from 45 yards or just a longer distance.

- Change the off setting penalties rule. If Team A commits two penalties on a play and Team B commits one penalty they should not cancel out.

- If a team is on their own 5 yard line and commits a 10 yard penalty. Instead of making half the distance to the goal. Make it to ten yards longer for a first down. Maybe give the coach the option for either.
Yeah the penalties offsetting is dumb. I believe it was the Rams vs Seahawks the Rams had 3 penalties cancelled out by 1. It should go by yardage. If there's a 5 and a 15, that makes 10. Each coach chooses 1 penalty to enforce.

Also the automatic first down for defensive holding needs to go away. 10 yard penalty. And pass interference should be a 15 yards rushing with an automatic first if the foul occurs past the first down marker.
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Apparently they do.
Getting rid of extra points is about speeding up the game. NFL wants games at 3 hours. It's been steadily increasing beyond that.

The injury was a fluke one, odds of getting injured on extra points are extremely low. Chances Brink will get injured for low hit is much higher.
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Yeah the penalties offsetting is dumb. I believe it was the Rams vs Seahawks the Rams had 3 penalties cancelled out by 1. It should go by yardage. If there's a 5 and a 15, that makes 10. Each coach chooses 1 penalty to enforce.

Also the automatic first down for defensive holding needs to go away. 10 yard penalty. And pass interference should be a 15 yards rushing with an automatic first if the foul occurs past the first down marker.
In regards to pass interference, I don't like that option. I honestly feel if they went that route, you'd have guys just pull down guys if they are beat, take the 15 yards and save themselves from potentially giving up 30+. Leave it as it is IMO, including the automatic first down.

What does need to change is the automatic first downs for defensive holding and illegal contact.
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Problem with moving PATs further out is you remove the fake as an option and that's probably the most fun PAT action outside of 2pt conversions with the game on the line.

Personally I couldn't care less about the PAT themselves but I do wish that vermin faced little piece of **** would just leave the game alone so I kind of come down on backing PATs.

Should add... Goodell seems to really hate kickers, first he basically cancels out the whole kickoff thing and now he is going after one of their only 2 real jobs, next he'll make FGs worth a point or something...
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Problem with moving PATs further out is you remove the fake as an option and that's probably the most fun PAT action outside of 2pt conversions with the game on the line.

Personally I couldn't care less about the PAT themselves but I do wish that vermin faced little piece of **** would just leave the game alone so I kind of come down on backing PATs.

Should add... Goodell seems to really hate kickers, first he basically cancels out the whole kickoff thing and now he is going after one of their only 2 real jobs, next he'll make FGs worth a point or something...
While I agree that leaving the game as is would be in general the best thing to do, I think the opposite on the kicker part.

By moving the kick off to the 35 it actually benefits the kicker. The amount of touchbacks have gone up and the chances of kicking out of bounds have diminished.

Also, I think most would agree that kickers are judged based on their ability to kick field goals, not extra points. You don't see a graphic saying Matt Prater was 65 for 65 on extra points, but you will see one saying he was like 33 for 35 on field goals. If every kicker makes 100% of extra points it is of no benefit to the good kickers.
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Removing extra points makes sense. It's a pointless play and getting rid of it helps the pacing of the game a bit.
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In regards to pass interference, I don't like that option. I honestly feel if they went that route, you'd have guys just pull down guys if they are beat, take the 15 yards and save themselves from potentially giving up 30+. Leave it as it is IMO, including the automatic first down.

What does need to change is the automatic first downs for defensive holding and illegal contact.

Well that's how it is in college and I really don't think that happens very often. Maybe they could do a spot foul for egregious fouls. I just hate when teams get 50 yards for minimal/phantom contact.
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I'm curious if they moved the PAT to the one-yard life coaches would be more prone to go for the two-point conversion. Probably not because coaches are generally very conservative in those types of situations.

If they want games to be shorter, cut the commercials rather than change the game. there is no reason to have a commercial both before and after the kickoff. But that would lose them money so of course they won't do it. Or they could shorten the reviews. If it takes the referee more than 90 seconds to review a play, it isn't indisputable evidence.
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All they would do is fill the pat time with another commercial. This pace of the game thing is bull. Commercials are the real problem and this rule wouldn't change that.
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All they would do is fill the pat time with another commercial. This pace of the game thing is bull. Commercials are the real problem and this rule wouldn't change that.
I agree. If they want to make the extra point automatic, go for it. But it won't change the the pace of the game.
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