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Old 01-25-2014, 12:09 AM    (permalink
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I just don't think that extra points are really an issue or even notable. Why fix what isn't broken? Extra points aren't great or anything but they honestly don't have any negative effect on the game.
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I just don't think that extra points are really an issue or even notable. Why fix what isn't broken? Extra points aren't great or anything but they honestly don't have any negative effect on the game.
They make people watch teams line up and run a useless play for 30 seconds, which is a bigger negative impact than whatever positive impact people see in it.

It's not ruining the game, but it doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good move.
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If they are going to change it, do it like this:

Change a touchdown to 7 points

Team gets the option:

Kick from 45 yards away: 1 point

Run/ pass the ball from the 2 yard line: 1 point

Keep 7 points, do not go for the extra point

If the team fails to convert the kick/ run/ pass, they lose a point, i.e. the overall score for a touchdown is 6 points.

I agree that the extra point is a pretty boring part of the game, but if they are going to change it at least give the teams the option to get an extra point or not. If the extra point is failed then they lose 1 point off of the score.

Just some thoughts i guess.
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If they are going to change it, do it like this:

Change a touchdown to 7 points

Team gets the option:

Kick from 45 yards away: 1 point

Run/ pass the ball from the 2 yard line: 1 point

Keep 7 points, do not go for the extra point

If the team fails to convert the kick/ run/ pass, they lose a point, i.e. the overall score for a touchdown is 6 points.

I agree that the extra point is a pretty boring part of the game, but if they are going to change it at least give the teams the option to get an extra point or not. If the extra point is failed then they lose 1 point off of the score.

Just some thoughts i guess.
Why would anyone attempt a 1 pointer if they just get it for scoring a TD? There's no benefit to attempting. Skip the attempt and get the point. Not much of a choice really.
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Why would anyone attempt a 1 pointer if they just get it for scoring a TD? There's no benefit to attempting. Skip the attempt and get the point. Not much of a choice really.
Okay, point taken, in that case, make a TD 7 points, and make each point after worth 2 points. If they fail either the kick or conversion, then their points go down to 5. Makes it more worth getting PAT.

The only problem that creates is now there is no possibility for 8 points total for a touchdown/ pat.
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They should just keep it the way it is. Changing the extra point is not going to make much impact on the quality of the game.

Then again, maybe they should make teams kick extra points from 40 yards out. And if they make it, they get to play the rest of the game with an extra player, so it's like 12 vs 11. If you miss, a player is forced to go into a penalty box where he is interviewed by Erin Andrews for 7 straight minutes, and his team has to play 10 vs 11. If a team misses two extra points in a game they have to play in bare feet for the rest of the game and the coach has to suit up and play a position.
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They should just keep it the way it is. Changing the extra point is not going to make much impact on the quality of the game.

Then again, maybe they should make teams kick extra points from 40 yards out. And if they make it, they get to play the rest of the game with an extra player, so it's like 12 vs 11. If you miss, a player is forced to go into a penalty box where he is interviewed by Erin Andrews for 7 straight minutes, and his team has to play 10 vs 11. If a team misses two extra points in a game they have to play in bare feet for the rest of the game and the coach has to suit up and play a position.
I am confused by what you mean as the quality of the game, but if it refers to the quality of entertainment provided then I could not disagree any more strongly.

When has it ever happened where a team, down by 6 score a TD and then think "damn I hope we kick the extra point"? Never because it is basically automatic.

Personally, I think scoring a TD should be worth 7 points. Moving the ball down the field and punching it in for me should be worth more than 2 field goals. Then teams can have an option of running another play from the 2 yard line for an extra point.

When any play is a 99.5% probability then it does not add anything to the spectacle. I also don't agree with moving it out because very few kickers missed more than 2 or 3 kicks all year.

It doesn't diminish the role of kickers because frankly you should be expected to make 100% of your extra points. But it increases the entertainment value for fans.

While teams have the option to run the play it would be almost a given that they would go for it. It's a free play for an extra point. I know i would rather see the QB throw an extra 2 or 3 times a game than watch 2 or 3 20 yard field goals that I could make
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I just don't see how increasing the value of a td to 7 points and then having teams run an extra play is going to suddenly have a major impact on the experience of watching a football game. It's not like people break out in fits of joy when a team tries a 2 point conversion in the current format.
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I just don't see how increasing the value of a td to 7 points and then having teams run an extra play is going to suddenly have a major impact on the experience of watching a football game. It's not like people break out in fits of joy when a team tries a 2 point conversion in the current format.
It is much more exciting as it is if teams go for 2 compared to kicking the extra point.

The NFL aren't trying to reinvent the wheel here. The game is extremely enjoyable as it is, but there are certain parts of which can be improved upon. There is absolutely no reason the NFL should not try to improve on what it does. Now there are things it won't change, such as TV timeouts for any and every thing, but that s because of the revenue it brings in. But swapping a play which fails 1 time out of 200 for a play which likely fails once out of every handful of tries makes it much more exciting.

If a team needs to convert the current 2 point conversion to win a game compared to kicking the extra point to win it is so much more exciting.
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If they gave teams the option of taking 7 for the TD, or taking 6 and a 2 point attempt, that would be fine. There has to be a risk in going for 2. It shouldn't be a play that happens after every TD.
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From what I heard in an interview with Roger Goodell on the Rich Eisen Podcast, one of the ideas being floated around by the competition committee (I think it's them) is when you score the result would be an automatic 7 points, but if you decide you need 8 points via a two point conversion, then you can make the attempt. However if you fail you'll only get 6 points.

Wouldn't mind that scenario. Like someone else said it simply takes away the option of the fake.
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I wonder how long it will be until someone suggests doing away with punting. I really wish I was kidding but I'm not.
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They should just keep it the way it is. Changing the extra point is not going to make much impact on the quality of the game.

Then again, maybe they should make teams kick extra points from 40 yards out. And if they make it, they get to play the rest of the game with an extra player, so it's like 12 vs 11. If you miss, a player is forced to go into a penalty box where he is interviewed by Erin Andrews for 7 straight minutes, and his team has to play 10 vs 11. If a team misses two extra points in a game they have to play in bare feet for the rest of the game and the coach has to suit up and play a position.
By interview, do you mean "interview?" 7 minutes would be about right.

And be careful... I wouldn't be surprised if the competition committee votes on your ideas a couple years from now.
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I wouldn't mind them being removed, but I can see field goal percentages dwindle and special teams penalties skyrocket from the change.
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I don't like it one bit. Where is the integrity of the sport. If they can change this rule to add excitement, then nothing is beyond them making changes to every rule in the book. I already don't like the way pro football is changing, it already doesn't come close to the game that was played right up to the 90's. At some point you have to say enough is enough. Leave the sport alone.

I'll tell you this, ever since I was a little kid, I couldn't wait till Sunday afternoon when pro football was televised and you lived or died by how your home team did. Nowadays, I find myself watching less and less of pro football, it has become too greedy for money and will change everything if they think it will bring in one more penny into their coffers. At some
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I'll tell you this, ever since I was a little kid, I couldn't wait till Sunday afternoon when pro football was televised and you lived or died by how your home team did. Nowadays, I find myself watching less and less of pro football, it has become too greedy for money and will change everything if they think it will bring in one more penny into their coffers. At some


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It never has and never will be about the integrity of the game, because there is no such thing. 50 years from now all the granddads of SWDC will be complaining about rule changes, not because they are necessarily bad changes, but because they're different. Everyone will be telling the new SWDC posters that football is nowhere near as good as it was back in 2014 and that the integrity of the game has gone. Because the "integrity of the game" is just based upon what a person thinks is right. Every person that watched the NFL in 1920 probably had equal dislike for whatever version you grew up with. "Plastic helmets??? Football is a hard game!! Where is the integrity?!??!"
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If they want to make the extra point more meaningful, just make it a 40 yard kick.

That way there's a chance they can miss. The whole point of eliminating it is bc it's too easy to make right? It has no impact on the game. Ok, so make it mean more. Make the kick harder, and it will have meaning again.
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If they want to make the extra point more meaningful, just make it a 40 yard kick.

That way there's a chance they can miss. The whole point of eliminating it is bc it's too easy to make right? It has no impact on the game. Ok, so make it mean more. Make the kick harder, and it will have meaning again.
I think the issue more has to do with the excess time it takes. The simpler solution would be to do away with one of the ad breaks between the PAT, the ensuing kickoff, and then the next possession. There is no way that requires 3 separate breaks but alas that's what you get for every regular season game.
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I think the issue more has to do with the excess time it takes. The simpler solution would be to do away with one of the ad breaks between the PAT, the ensuing kickoff, and then the next possession. There is no way that requires 3 separate breaks but alas that's what you get for every regular season game.
I don't think the NFL wants to eliminate ad revenue though. They love commercial breaks and we as fans are so conditioned to having those 3 breaks at once now, it's not like anyone is complaining about the breaks. And even if we did they wouldn't care.

If they eliminate the play altogether, then they need to figure out how to maintain the same amount of commercial breaks during the game. I'm sure there's a way. Maybe an extra commercial per break to make up the difference?
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I don't think the NFL wants to eliminate ad revenue though. They love commercial breaks and we as fans are so conditioned to having those 3 breaks at once now, it's not like anyone is complaining about the breaks. And even if we did they wouldn't care.

If they eliminate the play altogether, then they need to figure out how to maintain the same amount of commercial breaks during the game. I'm sure there's a way. Maybe an extra commercial per break to make up the difference?
I would imagine they'll increase the advertising breaks by :30 to 1:00 to make up for the lost advertising break.
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Why would the NFL want to speed the game up? Why not make the games last another half hour? Charge more to networks to air the games and have more time to play ads.
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The game won't be sped up at all. They will just use the extra time for more commercials. I just don't see the change as necessary. I don't see the reason to change in this instant.
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"The integrity of the game"

It never has and never will be about the integrity of the game, because there is no such thing. 50 years from now all the granddads of SWDC will be complaining about rule changes, not because they are necessarily bad changes, but because they're different. Everyone will be telling the new SWDC posters that football is nowhere near as good as it was back in 2014 and that the integrity of the game has gone. Because the "integrity of the game" is just based upon what a person thinks is right. Every person that watched the NFL in 1920 probably had equal dislike for whatever version you grew up with. "Plastic helmets??? Football is a hard game!! Where is the integrity?!??!"
Football is in the process of changing the complete game, no other sport has gone to those extremes. I can accept the safety type changes, concussions are too serious to ignore, but I'll be damned if I'll accept a total rewrite of the rules so they can make more money and look prettier on TV. I represent approx 10% of their viewership and I'm already moving away from the sport and I'm not the only one.
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