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Old 02-05-2014, 08:52 PM    (permalink
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Do you forget De'Anthony Thomas declared?
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Clowney - Jernigan for Dallas is an impossible dream. Please let it happen.
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not bad at all for the cardinals and its original
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Love the Vikings trade up for Bridgewater and the second rounder is excellent. The 4th is solid, but the Vikings have the Seahawks third rounder from the Harvin trade.
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A ******* C in round 1 wtf ? That is terrible **** draft for sf. Sorry but it is.
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Hmmmm, center at 30 for SF??? As much as I want a center early, CB and Safety come first.

And how does SF get an extra third rounder?
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If we get Teddy, I don't really give a **** what happens after.
A million times this. But for what it's worth, the #96 overall pick belongs to the Vikings from the Percy Harvin trade.
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I came in expecting a bang up Jets job but...

1) Guard might be a need if Colon doesn't return but it seems like Colon is Pro-Rex and wants to stay and might take a 1 year discount to make it happen. If so, guard isn't THAT big of a need to spend a 1st round pick for it. Especially not with Ebron still left on the board. Please give the Jets Ebron.

2) Love the safety pick, would be cool with it.

3) So no TE thus far....Seferian Jenkins somehow falls to round 3 and the Jets pass him up.

4) Is Huff a 3rd round talent? If we do take Abbrederis, then give the Jets best available that would hit a need....Jeremiah Attoachu works well here.

5) We don't have a TE or OLB taken in this draft and we take an ILB to replace Harris who could be cut after 2014. Or is this depth/a way to challenge Demario Davis?

With the talent available, I would love the Jets to get:

RD1: TE Eric Ebron
RD2: S Jimmy Ward
RD3: WR Jared Abberderis(Man so many WRs went high, this would suck)
RD3: OLB Jeremiah Attaochu
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Ya, not sure that it is plausible but the Cowboys will certainly add the best player in the draft at the cost of a 1st and a 3rd. Not to mention adding Jerningan in the 2nd would be pretty sweet.
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Moncrief in the third for the steelers and that would be an amazing draft
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Meh. Yes, the Bears are candidates to move down since we have quite a few FAs to replace. BUT, it would be pretty tough watching Philly take everyone I want haha.

I'd MUCH rather go with their Pryor/Fuller than our Gilbert/Buccanon. I do like Brooks and Borland, though, esp so late.
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This TVC is freaking ancient. With hard slotted salary, the trade value becomes tighter now.
It might be old, but its still completely relevant. Bills/Rams trade last year; Bills 1442.6 pts/Rams 1435 pts - Bills +7.6. I spot checked 4 other trades and all of them were within 22 points according to the TVC.
Most teams that lost any value, were teams looking to move down and pick up an extra pick. Teams looking to move up, mostly paid slightly above market value according the the TVC.
The only trade from last years draft where the value was totally skewed according to the TVC that I know of was the Raiders/Dolphins trade, and everyone knows the Raiders were despritely trying to trade down, and were taking far below market value to pick up an extra 2nd.
Aside from a couple skewed trades the last three years(QB's/despiration move down) the TVC is still used as a guide, that is used to make trades in the draft (as a guidline) up through last year, im talking within the ball park. That is based on factual information and actual trades made as recently as last year.
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Do you forget De'Anthony Thomas declared?
I don't value him well as RB but I struggle to get value fixed on a scatback so I have no idea where he will be picked as a luxury weapon. Sorry.
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Not a fan of Ebron in round one, and you missed Safety for Green Bay, which is the biggest need.
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It might be old, but its still completely relevant. Bills/Rams trade last year; Bills 1442.6 pts/Rams 1435 pts - Bills +7.6. I spot checked 4 other trades and all of them were within 22 points according to the TVC.
Most teams that lost any value, were teams looking to move down and pick up an extra pick. Teams looking to move up, mostly paid slightly above market value according the the TVC.
The only trade from last years draft where the value was totally skewed according to the TVC that I know of was the Raiders/Dolphins trade, and everyone knows the Raiders were despritely trying to trade down, and were taking far below market value to pick up an extra 2nd.
Aside from a couple skewed trades the last three years(QB's/despiration move down) the TVC is still used as a guide, that is used to make trades in the draft (as a guidline) up through last year, im talking within the ball park. That is based on factual information and actual trades made as recently as last year.
Actually, I just fooled around with it but I only included the trade picks that I actually played with in this mock. The rest of the value isn't mentioned so you need to use the imagination for extra picks to complete the trade any way you want.

The starting point for Vikes-Rams trade is 1.8 and 3.72 for 1.2 so you fictionally add 2015 1st and 3rd round picks to this starting point. You know what I mean.
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Not a fan of Ebron in round one, and you missed Safety for Green Bay, which is the biggest need.

I was aware of that. I tried my best to make it sense for Packers. Reaching Ed Reynolds in 1st round was my first thought but knowing Packers, they almost never over draft any prospect.
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Meh. Yes, the Bears are candidates to move down since we have quite a few FAs to replace. BUT, it would be pretty tough watching Philly take everyone I want haha.

I'd MUCH rather go with their Pryor/Fuller than our Gilbert/Buccanon. I do like Brooks and Borland, though, esp so late.
I can see that too.
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Well, Benjamin is a nice pick in the second round. That's about it for Baltimore though.
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I came in expecting a bang up Jets job but...

1) Guard might be a need if Colon doesn't return but it seems like Colon is Pro-Rex and wants to stay and might take a 1 year discount to make it happen. If so, guard isn't THAT big of a need to spend a 1st round pick for it. Especially not with Ebron still left on the board. Please give the Jets Ebron.

2) Love the safety pick, would be cool with it.

3) So no TE thus far....Seferian Jenkins somehow falls to round 3 and the Jets pass him up.

4) Is Huff a 3rd round talent? If we do take Abbrederis, then give the Jets best available that would hit a need....Jeremiah Attoachu works well here.

5) We don't have a TE or OLB taken in this draft and we take an ILB to replace Harris who could be cut after 2014. Or is this depth/a way to challenge Demario Davis?

With the talent available, I would love the Jets to get:

RD1: TE Eric Ebron
RD2: S Jimmy Ward
RD3: WR Jared Abberderis(Man so many WRs went high, this would suck)
RD3: OLB Jeremiah Attaochu
RD4: WR Donte Moncrief

Kirksey in 4th may be a great value since he could be taken before 3rd round so he is in for a push. I still believe in Troy Davis. I see several good fit for TE for late rounders. I didn't have TE run in this mock so Jets would get TE for a good value in this mock outside 4 rounds.

Huff is a definitely a mid rounder. He will need to work on catching football away from body.
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A million times this. But for what it's worth, the #96 overall pick belongs to the Vikings from the Percy Harvin trade.

I have no idea. I copied and pasted. I did not review and fix anything.
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Love the Vikings trade up for Bridgewater and the second rounder is excellent. The 4th is solid, but the Vikings have the Seahawks third rounder from the Harvin trade.

That sucks.
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I don't like a single pick for Cincy tbh.
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This TVC is freaking ancient. With hard slotted salary, the trade value becomes tighter now.
You have it backwards. If the TVC is based upon the OLD rookie scale, then under the NEW rookie scale, high picks such as the Rams' No. 2 selection would be MORE valuable, as the price tag for the player selected is LOWER.

Thus, if the TVC is outdated, that means that your REALLY undervalued the Rams' pick when constructing that trade.

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No, not a fan of using a first round pick on a 2 down player.
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No, not a fan of using a first round pick on a 2 down player.
Mack is definitely more than 2 down player in Gregg Williams defense. Also, you wanted Clowney but you already have Quinn and Long so that means Clowney won't be every down player for you right now.
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Mack is definitely more than 2 down player in Gregg Williams defense.
You're missing the point. In the Rams' defense, there are only 2 LBs who play all three downs. If the Rams had Ogletree, Laurinaitis and Mack, one of them would be sitting on third down. Thus, given that the players in place are strong, I don't wish to use a No. 1 pick on a guy who either will ride the bench on third, or cause another good player to ride the bench on third.

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Also, you wanted Clowney but you already have Quinn and Long so that means Clowney won't be every down player for you right now.
Who said I wanted Clowney? My top 3 player for the Rams are Matthews, Robinson and Watkins.
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