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Old 02-20-2014, 12:14 AM    (permalink
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I'm with yo. I've had to drag passed out people in pretty much that exact way. However, if he did hit her, which is what the story seems to be, then he's an ass. I don't condone domestic violence at all, but you have to really clobber somebody to knock them out. That's really not cool.
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I wonder what Ray Rice's potential in-laws are going to have to say about this once they see the footage. Wouldn't want to have to deal with that **** storm. Crazy how he just started to walk away with his fiancee on the ground like that. As if he was taking a break.
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Just saying as a person she knows that if she spits on someone(not a fact just something being said about the incident. So that is all I have to go on) that she could be hit. Not saying Rice was right to hit her just saying if she provoked it by spitting or hitting than she knew what could happen. So ultimately she made the decision to put herself at risk. Once again I don't know the real story so I am saying this as if she provoked the assault. I will also repeat that I am not saying that Rice was right just saying they were both at fault if the story told is correct and she provoked it.
As opposed to saying as a hippopotamus or as an oak tree? Yeah, I think it's clear she's a person. It's also clear that "as a Ravens fan", you're making excuses for a dude hitting a woman hard enough to knock her unconscious.
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Old 02-20-2014, 03:07 AM    (permalink
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As opposed to saying as a hippopotamus or as an oak tree? Yeah, I think it's clear she's a person. It's also clear that "as a Ravens fan", you're making excuses for a dude hitting a woman hard enough to knock her unconscious.
lol It doesn't bother me if he is a woman beater or not. As long as he plays. I have no reason to defend him as a person because I don't care who he is as a person. I am simply saying that at some point the woman has to take some blame as well. You can't assault someone and because you are a woman think there is no possible way you can be assaulted back. I clearly said Rice was wrong for hitting her but she is wrong as well if she provoked it. Women get away with assault on men all the time and non one cares but as soon as a man does anything to a woman it's the end of the world and they are the worst type of person. Everyone is different mistakes are made but at the end of the day you can't put your hands on anyone or spit on anyone(assuming that is the case) without expecting to be hit back or spit on. If you do than you are at fault. Once again in case you didn't see it and want to assume who I am again. Rice was wrong to put his hands on her but so was she for provoking it.
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Just saying as a person she knows that if she spits on someone(not a fact just something being said about the incident. So that is all I have to go on) that she could be hit. Not saying Rice was right to hit her just saying if she provoked it by spitting or hitting than she knew what could happen. So ultimately she made the decision to put herself at risk. Once again I don't know the real story so I am saying this as if she provoked the assault. I will also repeat that I am not saying that Rice was right just saying they were both at fault if the story told is correct and she provoked it.
She's not his wife. Ray Rice should have left her ass stranded at the casino and called off the engagement. That's how a grown ass man responds to a stupid dumb ***** spitting on him. Ray Rice will never win in the court of public opinion for beating down a 105# woman.

A word to the uninformed, a woman who will spit in your face is NOT marriage material.

We'll see how the story plays out, but I can't see a scenario where we well all say, 'Oh that's what really happened?? Ray should've curb stomped that stupid trick.'
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This doesn't look good at all. I'm hoping there is more to this. I'd like to see the elevator footage which I'm sure they have. He has been a pretty good character guy so far as I've known.
Yeah like when he spit in Phil Taylor's face last year

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Just saying as a person she knows that if she spits on someone(not a fact just something being said about the incident. So that is all I have to go on) that she could be hit. Not saying Rice was right to hit her just saying if she provoked it by spitting or hitting than she knew what could happen. So ultimately she made the decision to put herself at risk. Once again I don't know the real story so I am saying this as if she provoked the assault. I will also repeat that I am not saying that Rice was right just saying they were both at fault if the story told is correct and she provoked it.
Too bad Phil Taylor couldn't slap his dumbass in the face and teach him a lesson at the time for spitting on him. He was able to do it with refs around and pads/helmet on.
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It will be interesting to see how this case is handled compared to the Incognito/Martin nonsense.
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If his reaction was ´reasonable´ in the circumstances I have no problem with a man defending himself against a woman. If he knocked her out you have think his reaction to whatever she did probably wasn´t warranted.
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I have a hard time believing there isn't a camera in the elevator.
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lol It doesn't bother me if he is a woman beater or not. As long as he plays. I have no reason to defend him as a person because I don't care who he is as a person. I am simply saying that at some point the woman has to take some blame as well. You can't assault someone and because you are a woman think there is no possible way you can be assaulted back. I clearly said Rice was wrong for hitting her but she is wrong as well if she provoked it. Women get away with assault on men all the time and non one cares but as soon as a man does anything to a woman it's the end of the world and they are the worst type of person. Everyone is different mistakes are made but at the end of the day you can't put your hands on anyone or spit on anyone(assuming that is the case) without expecting to be hit back or spit on. If you do than you are at fault. Once again in case you didn't see it and want to assume who I am again. Rice was wrong to put his hands on her but so was she for provoking it.
So basically what you're saying is that because she knew that she was spitting on him, she should expect to be hit in the face? And that an appropriate response to someone spitting on another person, is to hit the person that spit?

I don't think anyone is saying the woman is completely blame free from doing anything wrong. What everyone is saying is that hitting someone, especially across the head/face, because you were spit on is a ridiculous overreaction and probably the result of some deep anger issues. The fact that it was a woman, probably half his size, makes it even more ridiculous that he felt the need to hit her as a reaction to being spit on.

If you can't control yourself enough just for being spit on and not actually harmed/assaulted, you (AS A PERSON) should expect to be arrested and put in jail. Sure it may not prevent it from happening, but you have absolutely zero reason to complain or blame anyone else. Rice's arrest is 100% his fault.
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If his reaction was ´reasonable´ in the circumstances I have no problem with a man defending himself against a woman. If he knocked her out you have think his reaction to whatever she did probably wasn´t warranted.
If she was physically assaulting/threatening him, some measure of physical retaliation may have been warranted. If she just spit on him, then absolutely no physical retaliation is warranted, especially not one that would knock her out.
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guys, everyone made a mistake. It was really Kenny britt. Ray Rice did nothing wrong. Move along
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If she was physically assaulting/threatening him, some measure of physical retaliation may have been warranted. If she just spit on him, then absolutely no physical retaliation is warranted, especially not one that would knock her out.
That is a fair assessment. I am all for someone defending himself when needed from a physical attack, but as far as I am concerned, being spit on involves no physical retaliation of any type.
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I am saying that when you spit on someone or hit them you should know that there is a chance that their reaction will be to hit you. I am not saying it is right to have that reaction but a lot of people do react that way. Her spitting or hitting another person shouldn't be excused because she is a woman or Rice knocked her out. It doesn't take a lot to knock someone out. Especially someone who is intoxicated. I am sure alcohol was involved and that has influence on how you would normally react. I don't believe that you should ever "curb stomp" anyone but I am not going to sit here and act like Rice did this for nothing and that his fiancee didn't provoke it. No one cares when a little guy provokes a big guy and gets knocked out but as soon as a woman is involved it's the end of the world. It's dumb. You can't walk around thinking you can put your hands on someone just because you are a woman and if you do than it is your fault. Just because you shouldn't hit a woman doesn't mean there aren't people out there that will. Woman get away with that way too much. RICE IS NOT RIGHT IN ANYWAY!!! HE DESERVED TO GET LOCKED UP AND WHATEVER COMES NEXT. Just to clarify
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While I agree no one can act like that, just pointing out that no one in here is excusing her behavior.

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Risk of drinking alcohol. It's her fault as much as his.
Which is absolutely not the case. If all she did was spit, that is in no logical way her fault for being hit. It could have been another guy that spit at Rice, and it still wouldn't have been cause for being hit. If Rice was only spit on, it would be 100% his fault for having anger issues large enough to need to hit someone for it.
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The only case I see it "okay" to hit a woman is if they are beating the **** out of you to the point where its the only way to get them off/away to keep yourself from receiving serious harm.

Knocking your fiance out is something else.
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While I agree no one can act like that, just pointing out that no one in here is excusing her behavior.

Your recent comments are a stark contrast to your original comment:



Which is absolutely not the case. If all she did was spit, that is in no logical way her fault for being hit. It could have been another guy that spit at Rice, and it still wouldn't have been cause for being hit. If Rice was only spit on, it would be 100% his fault for having anger issues large enough to need to hit someone for it.
My point is that when you go out and drink you know bad things can happen. You take that risk. I am not saying that Rice should of reacted that way just saying that we all know that people do react that way. A lot of people take being spit on one of the worse forms of disrespect and can make them react different. For example I would rather someone punch me in the face than spit on me. It is just as much her fault that she was in that position as Rice. You don't spit on ANYONE without knowing that you are putting yourself at risk of being hit. Just because it isn't a reaction you should have unless you live under a rock you know that that is a reaction a lot of people could have. In my experience woman walk around thinking they can do what they want and that just isn't the case. Also I am sure they weren't having a good time and she spit on him. I am sure it was a lot of messed up things said and we all know that your fiancee will know how to get under your skin. I just think that if you provoke a situation that it is your fault as well. Rice overreacted and he will pay for it. To be honest I just get tired of the woman getting away with everything in these situations. You know a man will knock you out. So why provoke someone to do so? To me spitting on someone is trying to get them to do something to you and that is what she got. Now Rice for being an idiot will lose him image and most likely and endorsements and that woman will get to live as the victim who did nothing wrong.

NOT SAYING RICE SHOULD OF HIT HER JUST SAYING IT IS HER FAULT AS WELL
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The only case I see it "okay" to hit a woman is if they are beating the **** out of you to the point where its the only way to get them off/away to keep yourself from receiving serious harm.

Knocking your fiance out is something else.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say Ray Rice is perfectly capable of holding off some crazed woman. (his claim)
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Hey women want equal rights correct? That includes everything.
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I thought you were better than that.
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I thought you were better than that.
Hard to seperate what's serious discussion in this thread from bull ****.

Anyone that even remotely condones what Rice did has some serious problems and probably should just keep their mouths shut.
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he's injured though
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