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Old 03-23-2014, 11:10 AM    (permalink
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Yeah, well that simply was not that case with Jamucus Russell.
Was it reported that the LSU coaching staff raved about his work ethic? I remember there being real questions about it. He had an uncle who died which affected him also.
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The Raiders have a "massive crush" on Fresno State QB Derek Carr, according to beat writer David White.
"But not a No. 5 overall pick sort of crush," White notes. The beat writer adds the Raiders are more "inclined" to trade down and select Carr with a later pick, however, that can get a bit tricky. The draft continues to approach, but the quarterback conundrum does not appear to be any clearer. Carr has earned rave reviews for his off-field demeanor and leadership skills, and offers a great arm and an athletic lower half to mold.
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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported on Wednesday that 12 teams have expressed interest in Georgia QB Aaron Murray.
Murray is currently in Phoenix preparing for Georgia’s pro day on April 16. Pat Dye, Jr., Murray’s agent, said the signal caller has garnered interest from the following teams: Cincinnati, Jacksonville, Arizona, Minnesota, New Orleans, St. Louis, Cleveland, Houston, Dallas, Oakland, Tennessee and Kansas City. "There’s just a real positive buzz about Aaron with the teams," Dye said. "He’s well ahead of schedule [from ACL surgery in November] and he should be fine to start training camp or at some point during training camp. Whether if that’s the first day or two weeks into it. Aaron swears he’ll be ready by training camp, a full go."
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So now we have reports that both Oakland and Cleveland love Derek Carr. Can there be a bigger death wish for a QB prospect?
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Was it reported that the LSU coaching staff raved about his work ethic? I remember there being real questions about it. He had an uncle who died which affected him also.
If he had a poor work ethic at LSU he would have sat on the bench behind Matt Flynn.
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/\ that scouting report includes the phrase 'athletic lower half to mold' and it's slightly unsettling.
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So now we have reports that both Oakland and Cleveland love Derek Carr. Can there be a bigger death wish for a QB prospect?
Considering we have a pro bowl wide receiver and tight end as well as a hall of fame left tackle I think it could potentially be a worse situation. If the quarterback we draft decides to not suck dick for once then maybe it wont be such a bad outcome.
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Considering we have a pro bowl wide receiver and tight end as well as a hall of fame left tackle I think it could potentially be a worse situation. If the quarterback we draft decides to not suck dick for once then maybe it wont be such a bad outcome.
It was more of a shot at the general ineptitude both teams have shown at evaluating and developing QB talent. I do agree that Cleveland is a decent landing spot for a rookie QB and far superior to Oakland.
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If he had a poor work ethic at LSU he would have sat on the bench behind Matt Flynn.
Sometimes a guy can be a lazy player in his preparation and still be one of the most talented and best players when you put the pads on.

I believe that was the case with Jamarcus Russell at LSU. Almost a bum 6 days a week, but LSU's best chance to win on Saturdays.

Once he busted we started hearing a lot of voices come forward who red-flagged Russell's work ethic at LSU, so I don't know how much prior intel the Raiders had on him as a prospect or just chose to ignore it.


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I just think when you give a rookie kid that amount of money that the old CBA provided, some are just not going to handle it well, and look what team drafted Russell, the Oakland Raiders who were always a kind of dysfunctional organization with little in the way of discipline. Probably the worst type of organization a immature Russell could have been drafted by.

We'll never know if he could have succeeded in a better organization, probably not, but it might have been possible.

Heck, a lot of young rich suburbanites who aren't used to big money, use cocaine and destroy themselves, so why is it so surprising that it could happen to a football player.
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No surprise Oakland loves Carr its been known for months and months its been no secret but Oakland won't touch him with pick number 5 no way Reggie will touch him with that pick.
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No surprise Oakland loves Carr its been known for months and months its been no secret but Oakland won't touch him with pick number 5 no way Reggie will touch him with that pick.
You mean the same Reggie who would of drafted DJ Hayden #3 if he couldn't of traded down?

I waiting to see him go wi Evans or Ebron or some reach at 5
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Sometimes a guy can be a lazy player in his preparation and still be one of the most talented and best players when you put the pads on.

I believe that was the case with Jamarcus Russell at LSU. Almost a bum 6 days a week, but LSU's best chance to win on Saturdays.

Once he busted we started hearing a lot of voices come forward who red-flagged Russell's work ethic at LSU, so I don't know how much prior intel the Raiders had on him as a prospect or just chose to ignore it.


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If he was that lazy during the week he never would have learned Fisher's playbook or have succeeded in that system. Granted he wasn't asked to run it the way Ponder or Winston do, but it is still too complex to screw off during the week and suddenly turn it on for Saturday. not to mention Fisher has no patience with that and would have gone with Matt Flynn if that was his work ethic.

He went to an awful situation, was handed millions of dollars, and given a good awful QB coach in Lane Kiffin. I doubt Peyton Manning would have succeeded under those circumstances.
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No surprise Oakland loves Carr its been known for months and months its been no secret but Oakland won't touch him with pick number 5 no way Reggie will touch him with that pick.
The problem is that if both the Raiders and Browns rank Carr as their second QB after Bortles, then he's going to have his value inflated to the top 5 overall.

If they both see him as a franchise QB then they're essentially daring each other to bid high on him.


The Raiders would love to get him at 35, but the Browns would love to get him at 26.


The Raiders would trade down from 5 and pick him or trade up above 26 to get him, so do the Browns have to trade up?


Eventually if both want him enough, the Browns won't let the Raiders have a shot at him, and that's why he's the number 4 pick in my mock draft.
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MassNole, you do remember the infamous story of Russell being given a part of the Raiders gameplan on CD ROM to take home to study and when he was asked later if he'd reviewed the CDROM, Russell said he had.

The CDROM was blank.

Fisher wasn't the HC at LSU and despite his misgivings sometimes an OC is given orders to get a player ready for the game, period. No matter how hard that player has prepared himself to play individually.

There are plenty of assistant coaches who are literally disgusted by some of their star players but have to coach them anyway.

Jamarcus Russell didn't suddenly lose his work ethic once he was drafted by the Raiders. He was protected at LSU and got exposed once he arrived in the NFL.

It's one thing to work hard everyday in the pros and still not be a good QB. If that was the case Jamarcus would still be in the NFL, like Jason Campbell.

Teams don't even want Russell as a backup.
I just don't buy that the Raiders ruined Jamarcus Russell.
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Even if the order came from Les Miles to start him, with Fishers offense it is just not possible to half ass practice and succeed. I do know Miles made it an easy decision for Fisher to leave, but it was still his offense being run for Russell.

Some coaches are better motivators than others and get more out of players. I think it is fair to say Kiffin is nowhere near the coach Fisher is, and when a kid goes from Saban style coaching to more relaxed setting, he'll get lazy (especially with $36m). No one could have succeeded in Russell's situation, and plenty of blame goes to him, but under his college coaching he could not have had the same work ethic and succeeded in the SEC.
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Even if the order came from Les Miles to start him, with Fishers offense it is just not possible to half ass practice and succeed. I do know Miles made it an easy decision for Fisher to leave, but it was still his offense being run for Russell.

Some coaches are better motivators than others and get more out of players. I think it is fair to say Kiffin is nowhere near the coach Fisher is, and when a kid goes from Saban style coaching to more relaxed setting, he'll get lazy (especially with $36m). No one could have succeeded in Russell's situation, and plenty of blame goes to him, but under his college coaching he could not have had the same work ethic and succeeded in the SEC.
I agree that the situation Russell came to in Oakland, with an aging owner who didn't care about discipline even in his younger days and a rotten HC, it was pretty easy for Russell to go astray. However, Russell had to be a pretty weak human being to end up completely out of football. Most QB's are a driven breed and very tough mentally, the likelihood that most would have failed completely like Russell did, is slim to none IMO.
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I agree that the situation Russell came to in Oakland, with an aging owner who didn't care about discipline even in his younger days and a rotten HC, it was pretty easy for Russell to go astray. However, Russell had to be a pretty weak human being to end up completely out of football. Most QB's are a driven breed and very tough mentally, the likelihood that most would have failed completely like Russell did, is slim to none IMO.
I can easily see where playing for Oakland and Lane Kiffin could destroy one's love to play football again.
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Pompei has been covering the NFL for nearly 30 years. The Texans reportedly want to move down in an effort to accumulate more picks in what is considered the deepest draft in recent memory. The Bills are said to be eyeing a move up, possibly for a quarterback. It'd be quite the statement if Buffalo was to give up on E.J. Manuel just one year after making him the 16th overall pick. Targeting a pass rusher like Jadeveon Clowney or Khalil Mack might make more sense. The Bills are currently scheduled to draft ninth overall and have just seven picks total.
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If you use the value chart, the first overall pick is 3,000 points. All of the Bills 7 picks, drafting 9th in each round, total up to 2,221.3.

So, yeah, gonna need some future picks as well...
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McClain is either going to earn extreme credibility or become a laughingstock after this draft.
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Mario Williams, Dareus, K. Williams, Clowney

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tampa 2 defense if ever i saw one
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The Bills were second in the league in sacks last year and still sucked. Not buying the idea of them trading a bunch of picks to move up for Clowney.
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Well they could make second in sacks into first in 3 and outs lol
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