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Old 04-07-2014, 06:36 PM    (permalink
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If the Washington offense is good the majority of that will be down to RG3. If the Washington offense is bad the majority of that will be down to RG3. The problem with the Bengals offense wasn't Jay Gruden, it was that Andy Dalton sucks.
Cincy was 10th in YPG and 6th in PPG, too. If a play doesn't work, it doesn't automatically mean it was a bad play call. The game is about execution.

Gio's not getting 20+ touches a game in his rookie year. That's not how smart teams break in smaller backs. It's just not wise.

If there was a criticism of Gruden, it shouldn't be that he didn't throw deep with his pop-gun QB. It should be how were they so bad at running the ball with a decent RB, a stud young RB, an effective passing game, and a good OL on paper?

That's what will be important to look for and could be problematic for Washington. Gruden's not Shanahan, which means Morris' production will likely regress. And if his blocking scheme and tendencies didn't result in good situations for Gio to make plays, how will that translate to a less talented situation.

But he's going to throw the ball deep. That's just KYP with RGIII and those two WRs.

But as SuperPacker said, the success of the offense will come down to RGIII's performance, not because Gruden is some terrible playcaller. Of course, Gruden will have an impact but it will probably be more in how he coaches up RGIII and teaches him the offense and the checks and protections than what plays he calls on game day.

And RGIII's issues were primarily due to the injury. He'll play better this year. The only problem is when does he get hurt again...
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And RGIII's issues were primarily due to the injury. He'll play better this year. The only problem is when does he get hurt again...
No RGIII's main problem is that he does not go through his progression and can't read a defense. I don't see Gruden improving that much. Most of it will be on RGIII to get better at it.
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No RGIII's main problem is that he does not go through his progression and can't read a defense. I don't see Gruden improving that much. Most of it will be on RGIII to get better at it.
I agree 100%
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That will help him yes. But the guy won ROY and led his team to the playoffs when he was healthy. He didn't have any confidence because he wasn't able to play his style last year, which affected everything he did on the field.

But I agree that Gruden's impact won't make or break RGIII. RGIII will either do it himself or fail himself.
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That will help him yes. But the guy won ROY and led his team to the playoffs when he was healthy. He didn't have any confidence because he wasn't able to play his style last year, which affected everything he did on the field.

But I agree that Gruden's impact won't make or break RGIII. RGIII will either do it himself or fail himself.
The problem now is that he won't be able to play that style now because of the injury risk.

I think RGIII ego has gotten so big at this point that most of his problems are unfix able to this point and Dan Snyder is only fueling that fire. I could see the same thing happening to Johnny Manziel if he beast modes it 1st year. Honestly if I was Washington I would be trying to trade him like what Cleveland did with Richardson and take their loses because I don't see him having much success under a owner like Dan Snyder.
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I think it's fair to wonder if he'll go down a similar inconsistent career path as Vick, with some great moments but constant injuries due to style.

I think he'd rather play his rookie year style than be passive like he was last year. He's going to try to be smarter about it, which might be impossible, but it's simply not worth it to go out there and be a pure pocket passer. That's not what got him here, and that's not his game. He needs to use his legs to have success.

I don't have the same bleak outlook that you have. I think this was a down year because of that conflict of mind vs. body. He was basically out there telling himself to play a style he never could, and things snowballed from there.

They say you don't get back to 100% until 2 years after ACL (tell that to AD).

I think he'll bounce back and have a good year if he stays healthy. I don't think last year was the real player - he was still hurt, or at the very least affected - by the year prior.

He had many other issues, including with his coaches and a perception of a big ego, but I think it all stemmed simply from his quality of play dropping as a direct result of him being less than 100% mentally and physically. Playing injured is not easy, especially if you've created a style with your athleticism.
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His new logo is pretty legit
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Everyone talks about Griffin as if he completely fell off a cliff last year.

He still threw for 3k yards, and 16 TD's. It's not like he completely just died...
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Everyone talks about Griffin as if he completely fell off a cliff last year.

He still threw for 3k yards, and 16 TD's. It's not like he completely just died...
He also threw 12 INTs, ran for 7 less TDs, and only won 3 games. Even then I'd say the numbers are misleading because he threw for quite a bit in garbage time with his team way behind. It was a big step down from his amazing rookie year. His health is a big issue now. He was clearly rushed back on the field too soon.

Why the **** did Shanahan let him back on the field?
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I'm far from a huge fan of RGIII but...





















Just to show a few. It doesn't really say anything about him other than he's marketing himself as a brand, which is quite common.
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Damn I only knew like half of those. At least the ones I knew are tops in their sport.

I have no issue with the logo. It looks good and it good money to brand yourself. It's a part of modern sports mostly.
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Another thing, he didn't have a training camp last year. Remember his first career game against the Saints? They did a heck of a job with that gameplan and Griffin was absolutely impeccable executing it. However he prepared after being drafted - he didn't have that coming into this season.
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RG3's issue with Mike Shanahan is that he did NOT want to run anymore on designed plays as per the read option. I don't know where people get that running the football is a huge part of Griffin's profile as a QB.

Even during is last season at Baylor RG3 sat behind the LOS waiting for plays to open up downfield when he easily could have taken off for 20+ yards on a scramble.

About the Mike Vick comparisons, Vick himself admitted that up until he went to prison, he never really worked on his game. Never put in the time in the offseason working with his WRs, never spent the time in the film room breaking down defenses and diagnosing coverages.

In terms of their preparation RG3 and Vick couldn't more different.

RG3 is still the hardest worker on the team and is going to improve as a pro QB.
The only question is, how good will he be??

As for last season it was the perfect storm of bad stuff happening at the same time and it put RG3 in a position where from a preparation standpoint he just wasn't ready to start the season.

You can't sit a QB after his rookie year for nearly 7 months without throwing a football or getting reps with his WRs and 1st team offense and expect him to look smooth and in synch during games.

RG3 reads defenses and goes through his progressions, he's just not great at it yet and missing all those reps in the offseason last year and TC set him back.

Yeah Robert has a big ego and thinks you should read all his tweets, but his work ethic is greater. He's a grind on and off the field and if hard work counts for anything, he's going develop into a consistently good NFL QB.

The one issue about RG3 is scrambling. He just isn't smart about it even after the Ngata hit. He doesn't have a good sense all the time about defenders pursuit around him and still IMO doesn't understand when it's appropriate or not to give up your body for a hit as a QB.

Russell Wilson for example always looks under control when he scrambles like he knows exactly why and where he's running from the pocket. Wilson rarely gets blasted when he runs and understands when you cross the LOS as a QB, the goal is to make positive yards and either get out of bounds or slide to the ground. It's not to score from 60 yards out.

Forgot all the QB stuff, if RG3 doesn't learn how to scramble effectively he's going to get injured again. It may not be career ending, but it will be career changing in that his mobility won't be a threat anymore.

Dan Snyder isn't trading RG3 probably ever. Robert is his MAIN dude.


(I could probably post 100 images of Dan and Robert together.lol)


Let's be real about it...moments like the one below made Mike Shanahan jealous like a *****.

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The Vick comparison was about having an injury-riddled career.

As for running not being a part of RGIII's profile - look what happened when they tried to cut it down...
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The Vick comparison was about having an injury-riddled career.

As for running not being a part of RGIII's profile - look what happened when they tried to cut it down...
Robert will never run again like he did as a rookie, and not because of injury.

RG3 didn't get hurt running the read-option, but Robert, Jr. and Son believed the read-option made him more vulnerable to injuries.
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Lol at saying being able to read a defense will simply "help".
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I'm on the fence about RG3. I think he's too talented to fail, but he's also a massive diva who is hated in the lockerroom who is injury prone and can't read defenses.

But I still think he's going to succeed bc he's just too damn talented not to, plus he has a loaded offense around him.

All I know is, I'm gonna draft him in fantasy football and grab another qb later in the draft to protect myself in case he flops.
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Meh, I didn't like him as a prospect and everything he's said and done since then has pretty much confirmed that he's a super entitled little b****. You can have that at some positions, but not at starting QB. He's not going to have a successful career, imo.

I blame it on his meddlesome father.

People want to bring it up as an issue with AJ McCarron and then turn around and ignore it with RGIII.
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Meh, I didn't like him as a prospect and everything he's said and done since then has pretty much confirmed that he's a super entitled little b****. You can have that at some positions, but not at starting QB. He's not going to have a successful career, imo.

I blame it on his meddlesome father.

People want to bring it up as an issue with AJ McCarron and then turn around and ignore it with RGIII.
Because no one is doing that lol.
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The Redskins should bounce back and challenge for the Division title and they will probably win it. Just not sure about the chemistry on the team, without that, they could struggle.

Jackson had to be pretty bad as far as Kelly was concerned for the Eagles to just release him, just have to see how Gruden handles him.
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