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Old 04-04-2014, 01:00 PM    (permalink
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If the Falcons could sign him on a cheap, prove-it type deal then sure. Otherwise, nah.
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Buyer beware. Here's something I posted on the Titans board about a month ago.

I'm done with Chris Johnson, his inability to hit the hole, and his sudden lack of explosiveness. I don't wanna hear that he deserves another chance and I have the numbers to prove it. CJ only had 5 carries for 20 yards or more, with his longest carry of the season topping out at 30 yards. In other words, only 1.8% of his 279 carries were "big plays". To put that into perspective, Mike Tolbert had 2 carries for 20 yards or more; 1.9% of his 101 were "big plays". A fatass fullback was more consistently explosive than CJ last year.

Further more, CJ was stopped for no gain or negative yardage on 59 carries; 21% of his 279 carries. To put that in perspective, Trent Richardson was stopped for no gain or negative yardage on 38 carries; 20% of his 188 carries. Even the guy currently regarded as the worst running back in the NFL right now wasn't as frequently futile as CJ last year. He's done. It's time to move on.
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The main reason CJ produces is because of opportunity, not because he's a great player. Remember when that revamped Titans OL was going to change things?

He's not that good anymore, and he'll have to settle for a 1B role like the Jets, so not sure why Derza thinks he's going to find a more attractive situation.
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I really hope the Giants don't sign him. I'm gonna be pissed if we do.
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The main reason CJ produces is because of opportunity, not because he's a great player. Remember when that revamped Titans OL was going to change things?

He's not that good anymore, and he'll have to settle for a 1B role like the Jets, so not sure why Derza thinks he's going to find a more attractive situation.
I don't know if he'll actually find a better situation or he'll find a situation that sounds better on the surface. The Jets are obviously far from a prolific offense with no real passing game right now and an average to above average offensive line. So while I agree that's the likely role, the Jets offense as a whole isn't a great situation for anyone right now.

Obviously he's not the player he used to be, but in a limited role where he can have fresh legs get some carries/catches I think he's certainly an upgrade over Bilal Powell. I'd just as soon draft a guy, though.
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Having to compete with Chris Ivory who can never stay healthy and Bilal Powell who is about as average as you can get, behind a good offensive line for a coach that wants to run a lot is about the best situation he could hope for.
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I'd take him back in Tennessee for 3m a year
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Having to compete with Chris Ivory who can never stay healthy and Bilal Powell who is about as average as you can get, behind a good offensive line for a coach that wants to run a lot is about the best situation he could hope for.
Perhaps. I wouldn't go so far to say the Jets' offensive line is good. Average to above average. Brick is declining and far from a road grader, Winters struggled last year though he did improve towards the end of the year, Colon is better in pass pro than against the run, and you know more about Giacomini than I do. The passing game means backs may see 8 in the box a bunch. Don't think anybody is going to run wild in New York. Not much competition among the backs though.

For a guy who's blamed his production (or lack thereof) on players around him, he wouldn't have a hard time doing the same thing playing on the Jets' offense.

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I'd take him back in Tennessee for 3m a year
I wouldn't take him back for free. He's been beyond pathetic for years now and completely kills drives with how many yards he leaves on the field. Can't break 1 on 1 tackles and can't make them miss to compensate for it. Good riddance.
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I'd take him back in Tennessee for 3m a year
I read somewhere he still gets 4 mil from the Titans due to some bonus, so 3 mil a year means you cut him just to save 1 mil....
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I wouldn't take him back for free. He's been beyond pathetic for years now and completely kills drives with how many yards he leaves on the field. Can't break 1 on 1 tackles and can't make them miss to compensate for it. Good riddance.
I've went back for years saying he's needed a compliment. He hasn't had one since his first year. He has been the guy. His best games last year seemed to be when in rotation with a (finally) healthy Shonn Greene.

Let's not forget he posted some of his best receiving statistics of his career last season.

Chris being in an offense with someone who actually knows what he's doing would be fun to see, he's been one of the most underutilized players in the NFL for years.

Chris is still one of the most talented runners in the league. People tend to ignore the fact he had the 6th most carries in the NFL last season.

It's a shame he won't have a chance to redeem himself under Whisenhunt, I just hope he gets the chance to do so elsewhere
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I read somewhere he still gets 4 mil from the Titans due to some bonus, so 3 mil a year means you cut him just to save 1 mil....
Incorrect. Cutting him saved the Titans $6m, while accounting for $4m in dead money.

If we signed him for 3m it would then cost us 7m for him to be on the roster (if factoring in his dead money) which would still be cheaper than the 10m if he wouldn't have been cut.

But the real bonus would be saving 10m against next years cap and 9m against the 2016 cap

This is why I said we should have converted his 2014 salary into a bonus while removing the future bonuses from his contract. He would have gotten the same amount from us, but would have been free to go elsewhere and likely get a bigger payday if he could prove he still had a lot left in the tank
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Chris is still one of the most talented runners in the league. People tend to ignore the fact he had the 6th most carries in the NFL last season.
I'm not even sure what this means. He had the 6th most carries in the league and didn't do **** with them. Yet he's underutilized? It's pathetic that he's even been allowed to continue to get that many carries consistently with how putrid he's been.
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I'm not even sure what this means. He had the 6th most carries in the league and didn't do **** with them. Yet he's underutilized? It's pathetic that he's even been allowed to continue to get that many carries consistently with how putrid he's been.
Under utilized in the types of runs. We saw him on counters, stretch and any type of outside run consistently pick up yards. Yet the coaches repeatedly called up the gut runs. It's like running into a brick wall when you do it 5 straight times. Is it really any surprise he averaged 3.9 ypc?

With that play calling, no.
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Incorrect. Cutting him saved the Titans $6m, while accounting for $4m in dead money.

If we signed him for 3m it would then cost us 7m for him to be on the roster (if factoring in his dead money) which would still be cheaper than the 10m if he wouldn't have been cut.

But the real bonus would be saving 10m against next years cap and 9m against the 2016 cap

This is why I said we should have converted his 2014 salary into a bonus while removing the future bonuses from his contract. He would have gotten the same amount from us, but would have been free to go elsewhere and likely get a bigger payday if he could prove he still had a lot left in the tank
The things I have read said he was due 8 mil this year

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...hnson/7297525/

"Johnson was scheduled to make $8 million this year following a season when he ran for 1,077 yards and a career-low average of 3.9 yards per carry."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10...-chris-johnson

"But Johnson averaged a career-worst 3.9 yards a carry and didn't have a run longer than 30 yards in 2013. He was scheduled to make $8 million in 2014."

I knew about the dead money, which is why I stated it would've been a 1 mil difference. I guess different places have different amounts. And agree he should've been cut due to the next two seasons cap hits.
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Hard to believe a 28 year old RB who ran a electronic 4.2 six years ago is washed up.

I envision him more in a Darren Sproles type role for some team where you try to get the ball to him in space as many times a game as you can.
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I think putting him in Oakland with MJD would be pretty cool. They both had their earlier successes running with a backfield partner. MJD can take care of the power stuff and CJ can do his fast thing, and both of them are pretty good receivers so it's not like defenses would be keyed on what the offense was running just because one or the other is in the game.
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The things I have read said he was due 8 mil this year

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...hnson/7297525/

"Johnson was scheduled to make $8 million this year following a season when he ran for 1,077 yards and a career-low average of 3.9 yards per carry."

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"But Johnson averaged a career-worst 3.9 yards a carry and didn't have a run longer than 30 yards in 2013. He was scheduled to make $8 million in 2014."

I knew about the dead money, which is why I stated it would've been a 1 mil difference. I guess different places have different amounts. And agree he should've been cut due to the next two seasons cap hits.
$8m was his salary, not his total cap number
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Hard to believe a 28 year old RB who ran a electronic 4.2 six years ago is washed up.

I envision him more in a Darren Sproles type role for some team where you try to get the ball to him in space as many times a game as you can.
His best plays this past season were when get got the ball in space and could make plays.

He's still probably top 5 in straight line speed in terms of RBs (Charles, McFadden, Murray and Spiller are probably the only ones close ) but his lateral quickness isn't quite as good as it used to be, although still good.

I think if you get him in a similar role to Reggie Bush (albeit less actual route running) he'd have a successful year. Ideally, he'd go to a place that has a deep threat on the outside that the defense has to respect, something he lacked here.
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His best plays this past season were when get got the ball in space and could make plays.

He's still probably top 5 in straight line speed in terms of RBs (Charles, McFadden, Murray and Spiller are probably the only ones close ) but his lateral quickness isn't quite as good as it used to be, although still good.

I think if you get him in a similar role to Reggie Bush (albeit less actual route running) he'd have a successful year. Ideally, he'd go to a place that has a deep threat on the outside that the defense has to respect, something he lacked here.
Agreed. This is why I say Dallas. New OC Scott Linehan coming from Detroit would probably love to get his hands on CJ.
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Damn Denver doesn't need him.
Can you imagine that threat at RB with that passing offense?

Similar to Robert Smith with the 1998 Vikings with that aerial assault.
A crease and he's gone while the DB's are watching the receivers.
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I think putting him in Oakland with MJD would be pretty cool. They both had their earlier successes running with a backfield partner. MJD can take care of the power stuff and CJ can do his fast thing, and both of them are pretty good receivers so it's not like defenses would be keyed on what the offense was running just because one or the other is in the game.
If McFadden wasn't resigned I would agree, but CJ2k isn't coming to Oakland. I like his fit for the Saints if they would try and replace Sproles. More likely he goes to the Jets or Falcons.
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