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Old 04-04-2014, 09:05 PM    (permalink
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If McFadden wasn't resigned I would agree, but CJ2k isn't coming to Oakland. I like his fit for the Saints if they would try and replace Sproles. More likely he goes to the Jets or Falcons.
Ah, i forgot McFadden was re-signed. THAT's kind of exciting, though. He was at his best as a platoon player, too. Oakland looks like they'll have a fun backfield to watch this year. I think MJD just needs the offseason to get healthy. If he is healthy next year, he'll still be a difference-making player, and it's probably similar for McFadden. If they can benefit from each other to stay healthy, that's a great combo.
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An older back that wants a decent amount of money and doesn't try hard is probably the opposite of what the Jets are looking for, so I doubt he's coming here. I could see a team like the Niners or the Saints bringing him in simply to have that home run threat.
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Ah, i forgot McFadden was re-signed. THAT's kind of exciting, though. He was at his best as a platoon player, too. Oakland looks like they'll have a fun backfield to watch this year. I think MJD just needs the offseason to get healthy. If he is healthy next year, he'll still be a difference-making player, and it's probably similar for McFadden. If they can benefit from each other to stay healthy, that's a great combo.
Is McFadden considered a bust? He has not lived up to his draft status that is for sure.
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Is McFadden considered a bust? He has not lived up to his draft status that is for sure.
Borderline, he seems to be in the no-man's-land of perennially injured. He showed us what we expected in 2010, but aside from that year has been... underwhelming.
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McFadden is very easily without a doubt a bust. If you don't think so, ask yourself if you took a RB with the 4th pick of the draft would you be pleased if out of six seasons there was only 1 season over 1000 rushing yards, a career high of 7 rushing TDs in 1 season, and never playing more then 13 games in a season? Seriously, his other seasons have been brutal.

If he's not a bust then the standards are at an all time low and you basically just have to not get ran out of the league. Dudes got talent always did, but you have to produce at some point.

As for CJ, I hope he goes to STL. Nice 12 touch a game guy and grind it out with Zac Stacy. Then the Rams can draft Sammy Watkins and we can still watch Sam Bradford throw for 3k yards and 19 TDs yayyy!! 11!!! 1
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I would take him on the Rams if he is willing to accept a backup role.
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Is McFadden considered a bust? He has not lived up to his draft status that is for sure.
In a word, Yes.
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It's rumored the jets, falcs, giants and boys are interested but I don't know if he'd be too expensive for the cowboys or how much they're interested.
I don't see it happening in Dallas.

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Hard to believe a 28 year old RB who ran a electronic 4.2 six years ago is washed up.

I envision him more in a Darren Sproles type role for some team where you try to get the ball to him in space as many times a game as you can.
How is that hard to believe? RBs fall off abruptly and some way earlier than 28. And he's had a million carries.

Darren Sproles? Wow. He'll never be near Darren Sproles as a receiver. Sproles can play the slot.

CJ2K has been overrated since that amazing year. He obviously has home run speed but he's usually very inconsistent or flat-out bad at all other aspects of playing the position. 5 years ago he was good, not anymore.

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Under utilized in the types of runs. We saw him on counters, stretch and any type of outside run consistently pick up yards. Yet the coaches repeatedly called up the gut runs. It's like running into a brick wall when you do it 5 straight times. Is it really any surprise he averaged 3.9 ypc?

With that play calling, no.
You've been making excuses for him for years. Two years ago it was the OL. Last year they got stud guards and it's the playcalling. All other Flaming Thumbtack fans acknowledge that he dances and is a limited player. I understand he was very exciting at one point but he's regressed. There's a reason why they're letting him go, and it's not to open the job up to some stud young back. They would rather start freaking Shonn Greene lol.

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I don't know what world people that think he's a good receiving back are living in, because he sure as hell hasn't showed it. A few long receptions off of busted plays does not equal a quality pass catcher.
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McFadden is very easily without a doubt a bust. If you don't think so, ask yourself if you took a RB with the 4th pick of the draft would you be pleased if out of six seasons there was only 1 season over 1000 rushing yards, a career high of 7 rushing TDs in 1 season, and never playing more then 13 games in a season? Seriously, his other seasons have been brutal.

If he's not a bust then the standards are at an all time low and you basically just have to not get ran out of the league. Dudes got talent always did, but you have to produce at some point.

As for CJ, I hope he goes to STL. Nice 12 touch a game guy and grind it out with Zac Stacy. Then the Rams can draft Sammy Watkins and we can still watch Sam Bradford throw for 3k yards and 19 TDs yayyy!! 11!!! 1
Yeah, he's definitely a bust. He does get the asterisk next to it, though; like Charles Rogers. He proved that he does have the skills, and had it not been for injuries he probably would have been able to hang around in the NFL.
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CJ3.9 might fit a number of teams if he's willing to be part of a committee. Not sure many teams want to bring him in as the designated starter.
Given Ivory gets hurt often and Goodson may very well be a goner....it'd be Chris Johnson vs Powell basically for the starting gig once Ivory is hurt(Even then CJ would be the "starter").
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Yeah, he's definitely a bust. He does get the asterisk next to it, though; like Charles Rogers. He proved that he does have the skills, and had it not been for injuries he probably would have been able to hang around in the NFL.
Yeah McFadden is an injury bust. A lot of guys just suck and become bust, but McFadden was pretty good when healthy. He is just hurt way too often to be useful. What can you do with a RB who can't handle contact?
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Would have loved to added CJ or McFadden on the cheap. I think we could use a guy at RB that teams have to really fear.
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Would have loved to added CJ or McFadden on the cheap. I think we could use a guy at RB that teams have to really fear.
Neither of those guys provide that.
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Neither of those guys provide that.
Umm. Yea, teams definitely respect their speed and big play ability when they are on the field. Consider who I'm comparing them to on my team though. Pierre Thomas has two 40+ yard runs in his career of 700+ carries. Mark Ingram is just lolworthy most times. I like Khiry Robinson right now, but Idunno if I'd say he's a big play guy.
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Mark Ingram is going to suddenly Knowshon it up at like 28 and this forum's collective mind will explode.
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I think Ingram could on the right team... not the Saints though.
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RBs don't really matter.

RB production is 80%+ a function of the offensive line. If you have a great OL, nearly any RB you get in free agency or late rounds of the draft can pick up 1000+ yards. If you have a bad OL, a top RB will struggle to get anything higher than 4.0 ypc.

Look at LeSean McCoy in 2011, then 2012, then 2013. In 2012 his OL was injured and his production sucked. In 2011 and 2013 he had two of the best OL in the NFL (Peters and Mathis) blocking for him. I bet nearly any RB could get chunks of yards running behind those guys.
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How many teams have a great OLine?? We'll see how many yards Lesean MCcoy gains in 2014 without a D-Jax to pull those safeties out the box.

Most Olines in the NFL are average run blocking units and your RB needs to be able carry half the lift by himself.
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You've been making excuses for him for years. Two years ago it was the OL. Last year they got stud guards and it's the playcalling. All other Flaming Thumbtack fans acknowledge that he dances and is a limited player. I understand he was very exciting at one point but he's regressed. There's a reason why they're letting him go, and it's not to open the job up to some stud young back. They would rather start freaking Shonn Greene lol.
I've been pretty adamant about how poor the play calling has been for years. It's been poor ever since Mike Heimerdinger left. Chris Palmer and Dowell Loggains were both jokes and haven't utlized Chris best. His O-Line hasn't been the greatest the past few years either.

To me, it was pretty incredible CJ had the success he had in 2012 given the circumstances of 12 different starters on the line and the OC positions.

Last year, Loggains was clearly overmatched and the run philosophy was poor. Run CJ into the middle of the defense repeatedly rather than ever trying to call a play outside.

Does CJ always make the greatest decisions? No, but he's still a very capable back that has not been utilized in years.
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Knowshon got all of 4.3 yards per carry, with Peyton Manning and the greatest passing attack taking all the attention away. He pretty much did what he did in any other season. I'm sure Mark Ingram can get his 3.5 to 4 yards per carry, with no type of real threat to defenses to break them open.
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I'm not heartbroken CJ's gone now, but with that said, I really hope he ends up in the NFC.

I think he's still a special player, and hope he succeeds. It's been tremendously exciting watching him over the past few years.
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