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Old 04-18-2014, 11:54 PM    (permalink
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I think Derek Carr is probably THE guy who's higher on team's boards than the media's
I am with you on this; someone mentioned elsewhere a Stafford comparison, and I liked that a lot, as far as style of play is concerned.
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Come on people, Tajh Boyd sucks. Decision making is horrible, Locks onto his Receiver, over half his throws are caught behind the line of scrimmage, can't extend plays with his feet like Johnny can, seems to have trouble reading defenses.

NFL Comparison: Thad Lewis
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This guy is the definition of someone who is being ignored by the media and draft experts(cant find him ranked anywhere) but had good production and may be on many teams boards on day 3.

Maybe a tremendous steal.

Davon Coleman-DT/DE Arizona St
* Totaled 166 career tackles, including 31.0 for loss…had 16.0 sacks, a forced fumble and a fumble recovery as well as a blocked extra point and blocked field goal attempt.
Here's the one video you can find on him.

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Undersized QB? - Check.
Marginal Arm Strength? - Check.
No experience in a Pro Style offense? - Check.
Stellar Pro Day? Double check plus.

There is considerably less difference than you think.
Funny, but both Mayock and Warner came away saying they were amazed by Manziel's arm strength and both said it was way above average. - double check

Intangibles - double check

Ability to beat the pass rush - double check

It isn't even close.

However, I do believe Boyd will get drafted no later than 4/5 and has a chance to stick around.
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I really think Deone Bucannon is going higher than we all think,

Biggest Safety in the class (6'1" 217lbs)

Best combine
-4.49 40
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Forces Turnovers
-6 Ints
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Intimidating Hitter

Yes he has weaknesses in man coverage, but that is something that can be coached up or dealt with in scheme.

Bucannon is big, fast, and he creatures big plays and those are all things that NFL teams value greatly.
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Agreed. Buchannon is every bit the prospect that Pryor is.
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I have Bucannon as the 14th best player in the draft. I'd take him over Pryor or Clinton-Dix.
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Funny, but both Mayock and Warner came away saying they were amazed by Manziel's arm strength and both said it was way above average. - double check

Intangibles - double check

Ability to beat the pass rush - double check

It isn't even close.

However, I do believe Boyd will get drafted no later than 4/5 and has a chance to stick around.
Those intangibles were on great display versus LSU and Missouri last year.
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I'm still not sold on Buchannon. I thought he looked awful in space and, as JohnCandy pointed out, he can struggle in coverage. I can see him being a guy who gets overrated as a pro. He'll make splash plays and his numbers will look good but he'll also make a ton of costly mistakes that will get overlooked. It's tough to get the image of Taylor Kelly making him look bad in the open field out of my head. What's he going to do when he has to make a play on Lesean McCoy in space?
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I'm still not sold on Buchannon. I thought he looked awful in space and, as JohnCandy pointed out, he can struggle in coverage. I can see him being a guy who gets overrated as a pro. He'll make splash plays and his numbers will look good but he'll also make a ton of costly mistakes that will get overlooked. It's tough to get the image of Taylor Kelly making him look bad in the open field out of my head. What's he going to do when he has to make a play on Lesean McCoy in space?
He definitely has his goofs, but he makes a ton of plays. I still prefer Ward, but Bucannon is a much better athlete than Clinton-Dix or Pryor. He covers a lot more ground, and he makes a lot more plays. I think he'd be perfect in a system that doesn't differentiate much between their starting S's, or he could be a very good SS.
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I think Anthony Barr is still Top 5 on a bunch of team's boards.
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I think Anthony Barr is still Top 5 on a bunch of team's boards.
That is a great call .

Athletes gets drafted high.
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I'd be surprised if many teams had Barr as a top-5 player, but I think almost every team has him as a top 15 player. I have him as the 13th best - with little separating him from the 7th best player. I have 7-18 as pretty close.
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I'd be surprised if many teams had Barr as a top-5 player, but I think almost every team has him as a top 15 player. I have him as the 13th best - with little separating him from the 7th best player. I have 7-18 as pretty close.
The media seems to have him down in the 20s.

Every year I tell myself that top end athletes get drafted before we think.

With a step up in competition you need to know that a guy can hang atjletically.
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The media seems to have him down in the 20s.

Every year I tell myself that top end athletes get drafted before we think.

With a step up in competition you need to know that a guy can hang atjletically.
I think many draft heads underrated athletic ability - just as I think they underrate cumulative performance (too often focusing on specific games, whether bad or good). The two outstanding athletes at OLB are Shazier and Mack. Barr is a very good athlete, and he's also very productive. I would have rate him as a prospect ahead of Jordan and Mingo by a comfortable margin.

For similar reasons, most people are too low on Bucannon and Ward.

Conversely, I think people are too high on Borland. Was he a good college player? Yes. Does he have the size and athleticism to excel in the NFL? Probably not. In this draft, I think he's a bad bet before the 4th RD.
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I'm still not sold on Buchannon. I thought he looked awful in space and, as JohnCandy pointed out, he can struggle in coverage. I can see him being a guy who gets overrated as a pro. He'll make splash plays and his numbers will look good but he'll also make a ton of costly mistakes that will get overlooked. It's tough to get the image of Taylor Kelly making him look bad in the open field out of my head. What's he going to do when he has to make a play on Lesean McCoy in space?
I agree, he is far too inconsistent in pass coverage to get drafted high in round 1, could sneak into the end of the round but not much higher.
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Ryan Groy OG Wisconsin...
Nobody ever talks about this guy anymore. He is a very mobile lineman and played every position along the line at UW. Versatile lineman get high marks by NFL teams and the fact he was a Badger lineman gets him a spot or two higher by scouts. I think he could go as high as round 3 but most have him pegged in the last few rounds.
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Jeff Janis. Teams like Denver, Green Bay and Atlanta have mentioned him as early as round 3 but pundits for the most part have him at round 6-FA.
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Nobody ever talks about this guy anymore. He is a very mobile lineman and played every position along the line at UW. Versatile lineman get high marks by NFL teams and the fact he was a Badger lineman gets him a spot or two higher by scouts. I think he could go as high as round 3 but most have him pegged in the last few rounds.
I guess he's mobile in the sense that he played in different spots.

He's definitely not mobile on the field. He's a heavy-legged waist bender.
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I actually think a guy like Zach Martin is high on a lot of boards. I think he could go to the Bills at 9. Teams love offensive lineman who are versatile and could be pegged into many different spots. Martin could arguably play all 5 spots on the line. I think that makes him highly valuable to teams.
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Cameron Fleming will probably go in the top 2 RD's. Never hear people talking about him.
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Carl Bradford, or at least I think he should be.
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It's hard to predict the Tavon Wilson's of the world. On one hand, you have guys that can play multiple positions and get a boost from it and then you have guys that are labeled "tweeners" and are dropped because of it.

edit: To answer this: Carlos Hyde.
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Carl Bradford, or at least I think he should be.
This is another good call. He's going to be an impact player at some LB spot.
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What round are people talking for Bradford? I agree that he's not mentioned enough. He's a very good athlete, and he was a very good player at ASU. I haven't seen him much in space, but his COD looks pretty good. If I liked him enough in space, I'd like him best as a 4-3 SLB. I think 6'1 with 30.25" arms keeps him out of a 3-4 OLB spot. He's a little up against it finding a position in the NFL, but I wouldn't bet against his athleticism in combination with his production at ASU. Seems like a guy you like in the 4th or 5th.
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