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This is my current (constantly being tweeked) Big Board for the 2014 Draft. I usually have a numerical grade for each player, but do not have the time this year, so I included my pick/round grades. I am trying something new this year and tiering my big board, essentially giving a range value. Tiers are based on where I would pick a player if I were a GM, and a combination of my short and long term expectations, ability, college production and projections (amongst other factors).
Players w/#1 grades I expect to have HOF careers (talent) and it essentially whittles down to All-Pro, Pro-Bowl, Starters, Depth, Development and Practice Squad caliber players. Usually I take individual draft classes into account when putting grades on players, this year I am trying to take a more holistic type of approach and the grades are more reflective of a draft in general. An example would be in any draft, I would take Sammy Watkins #1, not that he would be the #1 pick, but good, bad or indifferent, but I would consider taking him #1 overall. Last year I did not have anyone with a #1 grade. Anyone with a first round grade I expect to come in or be able to start from day 1.
I try to watch at least 3 games on each prospect and take a "the good, the bad and the ugly" approach to which games I watch, but do tend to favor prospect vs. prospect games (Clowney vs. Lewan for example), read as much material, including scouting reports and various media reports, etc and watch the All-Star games and practices that are made available, essentially anything I can get my hands on is watched, read and taken into account, then I formulate my opinion. I do not get to put nearly enough time into this as I used to, but do put forth "significant" time. Please note; I am not a professional scout, nor am I pretending to be, this has been a active hobby of mine since 1997 roughly, and I have been following/watching the draft for quite a while longer, I do not get paid to do this.
I did not include thoughts or analysis on individual players due to factors previously mentioned, and having done so in the past found people did not read it for the most part anyway, just like this intro. I will answer any responses to the best of my ability when I can. Enjoy!!


2014 Big Board

Tier 1 (HOF Career Expectation, Pick #1)

1 - Jadeveon Clowney (DE – S. Carolina)
Grade: #1
2 - Sammy Watkins (WR – Clemson)
Grade: #1
3 - Jake Matthews (LT – Texas A & M)
Grade: #1 Pick

Tier 2 (Picks 2-5)

4 - Khalil Mack (OLB – Buffalo)
Grade: Top 5
5 - Greg Robinson (LT – Auburn)
Grade: Top 5
6 - Mike Evans (WR – Texas A & M)
Grade: Top 5

Tier 3 (Picks 6-10)

7 - Aaron Donald (DT – Pitt.)
Grade: Top 10
8 - Anthony Barr (OLB – U.C.L.A.)
Grade: Top 10
9 - Blake Bortles (QB – U.C.F.)
Grade: Top 10
10 - Ryan Shazier (OLB – O.S.U.)
Grade: Top 10
11 - Taylor Lewan (LT – Michigan)
Grade: Top 10
12 - Darqueze Dennard (CB – Michigan St.)
Grade: Top 10
13 - Kyle Van Noy (OLB – B.Y.U.)
Grade: Top 10

Tier 4 (Picks 11-20)

14 - Eric Ebron (TE – U.N.C.)
Grade: Top 20
15 - Odell Beckham (WR – L.S.U.)
Grade: Top 20
16 - Calvin Pryor (SS – Louisville)
Grade: Top 20
17 - C.J. Mosley (ILB – Alabama)
Grade: Top 20
18 – Teddy Bridgewater (QB – Louisville)
Grade: Top 20
19 - Zach Martin (G – Notre Dame)
Grade: Top 20
20 - Justin Gilbert (CB – Oklahoma St.)
Grade: Top 20
21 - Jason Verrett (CB – T.C.U.)
Grade: Top 20

Tier 5 (Picks 21-26)

22 - Jimmie Ward (FS – N. Illinois)
Grade: 1st Round
23 - Deonne Bucannon (S – Washington St.)
Grade: 1st Round
24 - Kyle Fuller (CB – Virginia Tech)
Grade: 1st Round
25 - Donte Moncrief (WR – Ole. Miss.)
Grade: 1st Round
26 - Brandon Cooks (WR – Oregon St.)
Grade: 1st Round
27 - Xavier Su’a-Filo (G – U.C.L.A.)
Grade: 1st Round
28 - Marquise Lee (WR – U.S.C.)
Grade: 1st Round
29 - Zach Mettenberger (QB – L.S.U.)
Grade: 1st Round
30 - Austin Seferian-Jenkins (TE – Washington)
Grade: 1st Round
31 - Johnny Manziel (QB – Texas A & M)
Grade: 1st Round
32 - Dee Ford (OLB – Auburn)
Grade: 1st Round
33 - Morgan Moses (LT – Virginia)
Grade: 1st Round
34 - Bradly Roby (CB/FS – O.S.U.)
Grade: 1st Round
35 - Hasean Clinton-Dix (FS – Alabama)
Grade: 1st Round

Tier 6, Picks 27-32

36 - Ra’Shede Hageman (DT – Minnesota)
Grade: 1st Round
37 - Cyrus Kouandjio (RT – Alabama)
Grade: 1st Round
38 - Joel Bitonio (T/G – Nevada)
Grade: 1st Round
39 - Phillip Gaines (CB – Rice)
Grade: 2nd Round
40 - Troy Niklas (TE – Notre Dame)
Grade: 1st Round
41 - Timmy Jernigan (DT – F.S.U.)
Grade: 1st Round
42 - Louis Nix (NT/DT – Notre Dame)
Grade: 1st Round
43 - Stephon Tuitt (DE – Notre Dame)
Grade: 1st Round
44 - Gabe Jackson (G – Miss. St.)
Grade: 1st Round
45 - Marcus Martin (C – U.S.C.)
Grade: 1st Round
46 - Ju’Wuan James (RT – Tennessee)
Grade: 1st Round
47 - Kony Ealy (DE – Mizzu)
Grade: 1st Round

Tier 7 (Picks 33-48)

48 – Martavis Bryant (WR – Clemson)
Grade: 2nd Round
49 - Kelvin Benjamin (WR – F.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
50 - Jeremy Hill (RB – L.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
51 - Demarcus Lawrence (DE/OLB – Boise St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
52 - Bishop Sankey (RB – Washington)
Grade: 2nd Round
53 - Carlos Hyde (RB – O.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
54 – Marcus Smith (DE/OLB – Louisville)
Grade: 2nd Round
55 – Cody Latimer (WR – Indiana)
Grade: 2nd Round
56 - Jarvis Landry (WR – L.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
57 - Trent Murphy (OLB – Stanford)
Grade: 2nd Round
58 - A.J. McCarron (QB – Alabama)
Grade: 2nd Round
59 - Kadeem Martin (DE – U.N.C.)
Grade: 2nd Round
60 - Lamarcus Joyner (FS/CB – F.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
61 – Weston Richburg (C – Colorado St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
62 - Allen Robinson (WR – P.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
63 - Dakota Dozier (G – Furman)
Grade: 2nd Round

Tier 8 (Picks 49-64)

64 - Tom Savage (QB – Pitt.)
Grade: 2nd Round
65 - Jace Amaro (TE – T. Tech)
Grade: 2nd Round
66 - Jimmy Garoppolo (QB – E. Illinois)
Grade: 2nd Round
67 - Tre Mason (RB – Auburn)
Grade: 2nd Round
68 - Chris Borland (ILB – Wisconsin)
Grade: 2nd Round
69 - Bashaud Breeland (CB – Clemson)
Grade: 2nd Round
70 - Derek Carr (QB – Fresno St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
71 - C.J. Fiedorowicz (TE – Iowa)
Grade: 2nd Round
72 - Scott Crichton (DE – Oregon St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
73 – Cameron Fleming (RT – Stanford)
Grade: 2nd Round
74 - Terrence Brooks (FS – F.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
75 - Charles Sims (RB – W. Virginia)
Grade: 2nd Round
76 - Jeremiah Attaochu (OLB – G. Tech)
Grade: 2nd Round
77 - Davante Adams (WR – Freson St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
78 - Pierre Desir (CB – Linewood)
Grade: 2nd Round
79 – Dion Bailey (FS – U.S.C.)
Grade: 2nd Round
80 - DaQuan Jones (DT – Penn St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
81 – Keith McGill (CB/FS – Utah)
Grade: 2nd Round
82 – David Yankey (G – Stanford)
Grade: 2nd Round
83 - Kelcy Quarles (DT – S. Carolina)
Grade: 2nd Round
84 - Cyril Richardson (G – Baylor)
Grade: 2rd Round

Tier 9 (Picks 65-80)

85 - Antonio Richardson (RT – Tennessee)
Grade: 3rd Round
86 - Jaylen Watkins (CB – Florida)
Grade: 3nd Round
87 - Caraun Reid (DT – Princeton)
Grade: 3rd Round
88 - Jordan Tripp (OLB – Montana)
Grade: 3rd Round
89 - Billy Turner (RT – N. Dakota St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
90 - Jordan Matthews (WR – Vanderbilt)
Grade: 3rd Round
91 - Carl Bradford (OLB/ILB – Arizona St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
92 - Paul Richardson (WR – Colorado)
Grade: 3rd Round
93 - Jack Mewhort (RT – O.S.U.)
Grade: 3rd Round
94 - Shayne Skov (ILB – Stanford)
Grade: 3rd Round
95 - E.J. Gaines (CB – Mizzu)
Grade: 3rd Round
96 - Terrance West (RB – Towson)
Grade: 3rd Round

Tier 10 (81-96)

97 - Trevor Reilly (OLB – Utah)
Grade: 3rd Round
98 – Travis Swanson (C – Arkansas)
Grade: 3rd Round
99 – Marcus Roberson (CB – Florida)
Grade: 3rd Round
100 – Dominique Easley (DE/DT – Florida)
Grade: 3rd Round
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9 - Brain Bortles (QB – U.C.F.)
Grade: Top 10
lulz.

You think that highly of Van Noy eh? Interesting.
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lulz.

You think that highly of Van Noy eh? Interesting.
Whats so funny about Bortles?

I do think very highly of KVN.
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Just that you named him Brain Bortles. Is that an inside joke I missed?

Where do you think Van Noy will go in the draft compared to your evaluation of him? Most things I've read put him somewhere in the 2nd and I was hoping the Colts might get a crack at him at 56 (along with Marcus Smith or Jimmy Ward).
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Just that you named him Brain Bortles. Is that an inside joke I missed?

Where do you think Van Noy will go in the draft compared to your evaluation of him? Most things I've read put him somewhere in the 2nd and I was hoping the Colts might get a crack at him at 56 (along with Marcus Smith or Jimmy Ward).
Lol, I see, no inside joke, although its turning into one, I did the same thing with the last one of these I put out and didn't fix it on the list I was using (I know a guy w/a very similar last name, first: Brian).

As for KVN; I think he'll go in the early to mid second, his 2012 tape tells me everything I need to know about him, I think he'll have a Kiko Alonso impact as a rookie, better pass rusher IMO. Day 1 impact starter, who will make whomever drafts him very happy. I would like Buffalo to nab him myself. I would think KVN and Ward are off the board when Indy picks, Smith very likely as well IMO, but the more likely of the 3 to be there at 56. No G at 56, I think G. Jackson is Taylor made for them if he's available. You want a pass rusher... No faith in Werner and co?
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Lol, I see, no inside joke, although its turning into one, I did the same thing with the last one of these I put out and didn't fix it on the list I was using (I know a guy w/a very similar last name, first: Brian).

As for KVN; I think he'll go in the early to mid second, his 2012 tape tells me everything I need to know about him, I think he'll have a Kiko Alonso impact as a rookie, better pass rusher IMO. Day 1 impact starter, who will make whomever drafts him very happy. I would like Buffalo to nab him myself. I would think KVN and Ward are off the board when Indy picks, Smith very likely as well IMO, but the more likely of the 3 to be there at 56. No G at 56, I think G. Jackson is Taylor made for them if he's available. You want a pass rusher... No faith in Werner and co?
I'm with you on Van Noy. He could play most LB spots and his tape is phenomenal.
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10 - Ryan Shazier (OLB – O.S.U.)
Grade: Top 10

I agree!

35 - Hasean Clinton-Dix (FS – Alabama)
Grade: 1st Round

Yikes!
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I have a 1st round grade on Donte Moncrief, as well. Glad I'm not alone.
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This is my current (constantly being tweeked) Big Board for the 2014 Draft. I usually have a numerical grade for each player, but do not have the time this year, so I included my pick/round grades. I am trying something new this year and tiering my big board, essentially giving a range value. Tiers are based on where I would pick a player if I were a GM, and a combination of my short and long term expectations, ability, college production and projections (amongst other factors).
Players w/#1 grades I expect to have HOF careers (talent) and it essentially whittles down to All-Pro, Pro-Bowl, Starters, Depth, Development and Practice Squad caliber players. Usually I take individual draft classes into account when putting grades on players, this year I am trying to take a more holistic type of approach and the grades are more reflective of a draft in general. An example would be in any draft, I would take Sammy Watkins #1, not that he would be the #1 pick, but good, bad or indifferent, but I would consider taking him #1 overall. Last year I did not have anyone with a #1 grade. Anyone with a first round grade I expect to come in or be able to start from day 1.
I try to watch at least 3 games on each prospect and take a "the good, the bad and the ugly" approach to which games I watch, but do tend to favor prospect vs. prospect games (Clowney vs. Lewan for example), read as much material, including scouting reports and various media reports, etc and watch the All-Star games and practices that are made available, essentially anything I can get my hands on is watched, read and taken into account, then I formulate my opinion. I do not get to put nearly enough time into this as I used to, but do put forth "significant" time. Please note; I am not a professional scout, nor am I pretending to be, this has been a active hobby of mine since 1997 roughly, and I have been following/watching the draft for quite a while longer, I do not get paid to do this.
I did not include thoughts or analysis on individual players due to factors previously mentioned, and having done so in the past found people did not read it for the most part anyway, just like this intro. I will answer any responses to the best of my ability when I can. Enjoy!!


2014 Big Board

Tier 1 (HOF Career Expectation, Pick #1)

1 - Jadeveon Clowney (DE – S. Carolina)
Grade: #1
2 - Sammy Watkins (WR – Clemson)
Grade: #1
3 - Jake Matthews (LT – Texas A & M) - tier 2 for me
Grade: #1 Pick

Tier 2 (Picks 2-5)

4 - Khalil Mack (OLB – Buffalo) - Tier 1 for me.
Grade: Top 5
5 - Greg Robinson (LT – Auburn) -Tier 1 for me
Grade: Top 5
6 - Mike Evans (WR – Texas A & M)
Grade: Top 5

Tier 3 (Picks 6-10)

7 - Aaron Donald (DT – Pitt.) - top 20 for me
Grade: Top 10
8 - Anthony Barr (OLB – U.C.L.A.) - tier 2 for me
Grade: Top 10
9 - Blake Bortles (QB – U.C.F.)
Grade: Top 10
10 - Ryan Shazier (OLB – O.S.U.) - 1st rounder for me
Grade: Top 10
11 - Taylor Lewan (LT – Michigan) - top 10 for me
Grade: Top 10
12 - Darqueze Dennard (CB – Michigan St.) - 1st rounder
Grade: Top 10
13 - Kyle Van Noy (OLB – B.Y.U.) - 2nd rounder
Grade: Top 10

Tier 4 (Picks 11-20)

14 - Eric Ebron (TE – U.N.C.)
Grade: Top 20
15 - Odell Beckham (WR – L.S.U.)
Grade: Top 20
16 - Calvin Pryor (SS – Louisville)
Grade: Top 20
17 - C.J. Mosley (ILB – Alabama)
Grade: Top 20
18 – Teddy Bridgewater (QB – Louisville)
Grade: Top 20
19 - Zach Martin (G – Notre Dame)
Grade: Top 20
20 - Justin Gilbert (CB – Oklahoma St.)
Grade: Top 20
21 - Jason Verrett (CB – T.C.U.) - late 1st rounder for me
Grade: Top 20

Tier 5 (Picks 21-26)

22 - Jimmie Ward (FS – N. Illinois) - 2nd rounder for me
Grade: 1st Round
23 - Deonne Bucannon (S – Washington St.) - 2nd rounder for me
Grade: 1st Round
24 - Kyle Fuller (CB – Virginia Tech) - top 20 for me
Grade: 1st Round
25 - Donte Moncrief (WR – Ole. Miss.) - 2nd rounder for me
Grade: 1st Round
26 - Brandon Cooks (WR – Oregon St.) - top 20 for me
Grade: 1st Round
27 - Xavier Su’a-Filo (G – U.C.L.A.)
Grade: 1st Round
28 - Marquise Lee (WR – U.S.C.)
Grade: 1st Round
29 - Zach Mettenberger (QB – L.S.U.) - Round 3 talent but might go round 2
Grade: 1st Round
30 - Austin Seferian-Jenkins (TE – Washington)
Grade: 1st Round
31 - Johnny Manziel (QB – Texas A & M) - Tier 2 for me
Grade: 1st Round
32 - Dee Ford (OLB – Auburn)
Grade: 1st Round
33 - Morgan Moses (LT – Virginia)
Grade: 1st Round
34 - Bradly Roby (CB/FS – O.S.U.)
Grade: 1st Round
35 - Hasean Clinton-Dix (FS – Alabama) - top 20 for me
Grade: 1st Round

Tier 6, Picks 27-32

36 - Ra’Shede Hageman (DT – Minnesota) - Tier 5 talent
Grade: 1st Round
37 - Cyrus Kouandjio (RT – Alabama) - tier 5 talent
Grade: 1st Round
38 - Joel Bitonio (T/G – Nevada)
Grade: 1st Round
39 - Phillip Gaines (CB – Rice) - 3rd/4th rounder for me
Grade: 2nd Round
40 - Troy Niklas (TE – Notre Dame)
Grade: 1st Round
41 - Timmy Jernigan (DT – F.S.U.) - Tier 5 talent
Grade: 1st Round
42 - Louis Nix (NT/DT – Notre Dame)
Grade: 1st Round
43 - Stephon Tuitt (DE – Notre Dame)
Grade: 1st Round
44 - Gabe Jackson (G – Miss. St.) - - 3rd rounder for me
Grade: 1st Round
45 - Marcus Martin (C – U.S.C.) - 2nd to 3rd rounder for me
Grade: 1st Round
46 - Ju’Wuan James (RT – Tennessee)
Grade: 1st Round
47 - Kony Ealy (DE – Mizzu) - Tier 5 talent
Grade: 1st Round

Tier 7 (Picks 33-48)

48 – Martavis Bryant (WR – Clemson) - 4th /5th rounder for me
Grade: 2nd Round
49 - Kelvin Benjamin (WR – F.S.U.) - Tier 6 talent
Grade: 2nd Round
50 - Jeremy Hill (RB – L.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
51 - Demarcus Lawrence (DE/OLB – Boise St.) - Tier 6 talent
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52 - Bishop Sankey (RB – Washington)
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53 - Carlos Hyde (RB – O.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
54 – Marcus Smith (DE/OLB – Louisville)
Grade: 2nd Round
55 – Cody Latimer (WR – Indiana)
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56 - Jarvis Landry (WR – L.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
57 - Trent Murphy (OLB – Stanford)
Grade: 2nd Round
58 - A.J. McCarron (QB – Alabama) - 3rd round talent for me but likrly goes round 2
Grade: 2nd Round
59 - Kadeem Martin (DE – U.N.C.)
Grade: 2nd Round
60 - Lamarcus Joyner (FS/CB – F.S.U.) - 3rd rounder for me
Grade: 2nd Round
61 – Weston Richburg (C – Colorado St.) - 3rd rounder for me
Grade: 2nd Round
62 - Allen Robinson (WR – P.S.U.)
Grade: 2nd Round
63 - Dakota Dozier (G – Furman)
Grade: 2nd Round

Tier 8 (Picks 49-64)

64 - Tom Savage (QB – Pitt.) - Tier 7 talent
Grade: 2nd Round
65 - Jace Amaro (TE – T. Tech) - Tier 6 talent
Grade: 2nd Round
66 - Jimmy Garoppolo (QB – E. Illinois) - Tier 7 talent
Grade: 2nd Round
67 - Tre Mason (RB – Auburn)
Grade: 2nd Round
68 - Chris Borland (ILB – Wisconsin)
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69 - Bashaud Breeland (CB – Clemson) - 3rd rounder for me
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70 - Derek Carr (QB – Fresno St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
71 - C.J. Fiedorowicz (TE – Iowa) - 3rd rounder for me
Grade: 2nd Round
72 - Scott Crichton (DE – Oregon St.) - Tier 7 talent
Grade: 2nd Round
73 – Cameron Fleming (RT – Stanford) - Tier 7 talent
Grade: 2nd Round
74 - Terrence Brooks (FS – F.S.U.) - 3rd/4th rounder for me
Grade: 2nd Round
75 - Charles Sims (RB – W. Virginia) - 3rd rounder for me
Grade: 2nd Round
76 - Jeremiah Attaochu (OLB – G. Tech) - Tier 7 talent
Grade: 2nd Round
77 - Davante Adams (WR – Freson St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
78 - Pierre Desir (CB – Linewood)
Grade: 2nd Round
79 – Dion Bailey (FS – U.S.C.)
Grade: 2nd Round
80 - DaQuan Jones (DT – Penn St.)
Grade: 2nd Round
81 – Keith McGill (CB/FS – Utah) - Tier 7 talent
Grade: 2nd Round
82 – David Yankey (G – Stanford)
Grade: 2nd Round
83 - Kelcy Quarles (DT – S. Carolina)
Grade: 2nd Round
84 - Cyril Richardson (G – Baylor)
Grade: 2rd Round

Tier 9 (Picks 65-80)

85 - Antonio Richardson (RT – Tennessee) - Tier 8 talent(inj.)
Grade: 3rd Round
86 - Jaylen Watkins (CB – Florida)
Grade: 3nd Round
87 - Caraun Reid (DT – Princeton) - 4th or 5th rounder for me
Grade: 3rd Round
88 - Jordan Tripp (OLB – Montana)
Grade: 3rd Round
89 - Billy Turner (RT – N. Dakota St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
90 - Jordan Matthews (WR – Vanderbilt) -2nd rounder for me
Grade: 3rd Round
91 - Carl Bradford (OLB/ILB – Arizona St.)
Grade: 3rd Round
92 - Paul Richardson (WR – Colorado)
Grade: 3rd Round
93 - Jack Mewhort (RT – O.S.U.) - 2nd rounder for me
Grade: 3rd Round
94 - Shayne Skov (ILB – Stanford) - 4th rounder for me
Grade: 3rd Round
95 - E.J. Gaines (CB – Mizzu)
Grade: 3rd Round
96 - Terrance West (RB – Towson)
Grade: 3rd Round

Tier 10 (81-96)

97 - Trevor Reilly (OLB – Utah)
Grade: 3rd Round
98 – Travis Swanson (C – Arkansas)
Grade: 3rd Round
99 – Marcus Roberson (CB – Florida)
Grade: 3rd Round
100 – Dominique Easley (DE/DT – Florida) - 2nd rounder for me
Grade: 3rd Round
Obviously, since I really like Manziel, I cannot give you a high grade for your rankings: C+
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HaSean - Not athletically gifted enough for me to warrant a top 20 grade, and gets pushed down on my board as the depth in the draft factors in. IMO he is really disciplined and good at alot of things but not elite in enough. However, I see him being day one starter who helps on the back end, but not quite the playmaking ballhawk people are making him out to be. IMO he will be pushed up a bit due to supply and demand, but is a back end of the first value more than a top 20/15. Wouldnt shock me to see him go there all things aside.
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You are not alone my friend. I like him alot, w/out some of the drops I'd have him much higher, potential #1 reciever IMO.
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Obviously, since I really like Manziel, I cannot give you a high grade for your rankings: C+
Surprised you have Barr as a top 5 guy. I am interest to hear what seperates Manziel from Mettenberger for you.

C+, youch... Thats rough, based on one guy??
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Obviously, since I really like Manziel, I cannot give you a high grade for your rankings: C+
Surprised you have Barr as a top 5 guy. I am interest to hear what seperates Manziel from Mettenberger for you.

C+, youch... Thats rough, based on one guy??
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If you divided your ranking into 32 pick rounds, I have a weird feeling you have at least 20+ players correctly targeted for each of the first 3 rounds.

I'll refer back to this thread after the draft.
I'll look forward to that, I like comparing these types of things.

I would take 20+ :)

I thought about ranking them in 32 players per round, I just think the quality players in this draft dictate more than 32 players with grades worthy of being taken in each round.
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What does Martavis Bryant do that's better than Davante Adams?
More athletic, faster, quicker acceleration (almost to full speed as quick as anyone his size I can think of), better deep threat and field stretcher, jump balls, more impact and playmaking potential, his ceiling as is all of this, IMO is higher, I really see him having Randy Moss potential.

Is he as good a route runner and as polished as Adams? NO. I like Adams alot and my grade is not knock on him as I still think he's a 2nd round guy, and have had him as high as late first in my rankings this pre draft process. His physical tools, dimensions and potential, coupled with his tape IMO make him the higher rated prospect.
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Surprised you have Barr as a top 5 guy. I am interest to hear what seperates Manziel from Mettenberger for you.

C+, youch... Thats rough, based on one guy??
I realize Manziel won't suit everybody because of his style of play, but I have a sneaking suspicion h e'll go #1 overall to Houston.

He has an above average arm and for me, his intangibles are off the charts and I'm not bothered by his escapability. The only concern I have is can he stay healthy??? I fully expect him to become a true franchise QB, right up there with the best.

Mettenberger has to be the most overhyped prospect I've seen in a long time. He's strictly a 3rd round talent IMO. He had about half a season where he did anything at LSU, before last year, he was a nobody and IMO, he didn't do enough to raise above the 3rd round level. All he has is a solid arm, I think he fails on his intangibles and I see nothing in him to get excited about.
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Surprised you have Barr as a top 5 guy. I am interest to hear what seperates Manziel from Mettenberger for you.

C+, youch... Thats rough, based on one guy??
I think you can see that we had a lot of disagreements, I think I got confused on Barr, just thought he, Lewan and Bortles are the only ones who belong on your list as 6 to 10 prospects. Cannot see Shazier, Dennard, Van Noy or Donald ranking that high.

If Manziel doesn't go top 5, I'd give you a B+, but I guess we have to wait till the draft to answer that one.
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Lol, I see, no inside joke, although its turning into one, I did the same thing with the last one of these I put out and didn't fix it on the list I was using (I know a guy w/a very similar last name, first: Brian).

As for KVN; I think he'll go in the early to mid second, his 2012 tape tells me everything I need to know about him, I think he'll have a Kiko Alonso impact as a rookie, better pass rusher IMO. Day 1 impact starter, who will make whomever drafts him very happy. I would like Buffalo to nab him myself. I would think KVN and Ward are off the board when Indy picks, Smith very likely as well IMO, but the more likely of the 3 to be there at 56. No G at 56, I think G. Jackson is Taylor made for them if he's available. You want a pass rusher... No faith in Werner and co?
Werner showed some improvement but is still super raw. And not just in coverage either. He didn't look very strong and his burst at the snap wasn't very good unless he was down in that 4 point stance. I haven't given up on him at all but we need more pass rushers than Mathis, who I think will turn 33 this year.
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Why is Easley so low? Is it simply injury concerns because when I watch him I see first round ability.
Injury concerns, I agree with first round type talent, R and L knee ACL tears and a minor meniscus tear, knee swelling issue, its just too much, and I overlooked injuries more this year than I have in the past. IMO its just too much for me to want to risk before the 3rd round (IMO with the history thats generous) at best, and it is because of his talent I have him even rated that high.
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