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View Poll Results: Who is the best mlb?
Ray Lewis 23 13.14%
Brian Urlacher 104 59.43%
Zach Thomas 9 5.14%
Al Wilson 3 1.71%
Mike Peterson 3 1.71%
Jonathan Vilma 14 8.00%
London Fletcher 2 1.14%
Demeco Ryans 14 8.00%
Lofa Tatupu 3 1.71%
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Old 04-07-2007, 08:42 PM    (permalink
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You'd pick Lewis over Urlacher right now because he's an emotional leader? Lewis isn't half the player he used to be. And there's no debate here, Urlacher is the best in the game right now, period, end of story.

Lewis in his prime > Urlacher. Urlacher >>>>>> Lewis right now.

Brian does everything very well. He's great against the run, he's great in pass coverage, he's a great tackler, he's very smart, he can run sideline to sideline, he lines up our defense, and he calls the plays. He's the best MLB in the game right now and there's no doubt about that.
Ray Lewis is still a great LB. Not as dominant as he used to be, but still one of the best defenders in the game. But yes, he is the emotional leader of a defense that is at the elite level every year and he makes everyone around him better. If I had to pick a MLB to be the leader of my defense, Id take Ray Lewis. And yes, over their careers, there is no comparison.
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Ray Lewis is still a great LB. Not as dominant as he used to be, but still one of the best defenders in the game. But yes, he is the emotional leader of a defense that is at the elite level every year and he makes everyone around him better. If I had to pick a MLB to be the leader of my defense, Id take Ray Lewis. And yes, over their careers, there is no comparison.
Well there is a comparison, the biggest difference of course being that Lewis was part of that great 2000 team. Urlacher is still in his prime though.

For those that claim Lewis is the best ever....eh....an argument could be made I suppose, but I tend to think that has more to do with a lack of exposure to linebackers in the past.
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Well there is a comparison, the biggest difference of course being that Lewis was part of that great 2000 team. Urlacher is still in his prime though.

For those that claim Lewis is the best ever....eh....an argument could be made I suppose, but I tend to think that has more to do with a lack of exposure to linebackers in the past.
It's pointless to compare players that played in different eras usually. Lewis is without a doubt one of the greatest to ever play the game though.
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It's pointless to compare players that played in different eras usually. Lewis is without a doubt one of the greatest to ever play the game though.
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I don't know guys...I just don't see the infatuation with Urlacher. He's the best athlete at MIKE, but I don't know if he's the best MIKE. This is a tough topic to debate, because nowadays with the different systems, the MIKE's responsibilities aren't the same across the board, so its hard to put them all in the same boat and compare them that way.

But I just don't see "it" in Urlacher. I cede that Im not the best at deciphering offenses etc, but one thing I think I do know is my linebackers. And I don't see what I look for in Lbs in Urlacher.

Its all great now, but I just think that 5 years from now, we'll all view Urlacher in a different light than we view him now. I don't know if he has the intangibles to last beyond his athleticism.

Id say Urlacher is probably accurately described in context to his peers, but I think in comparison to others in NFL history, he gets more credit than he deserves. Thats my stance on him right now, until he shows me more.
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I don't know guys...I just don't see the infatuation with Urlacher. He's the best athlete at MIKE, but I don't know if he's the best MIKE. This is a tough topic to debate, because nowadays with the different systems, the MIKE's responsibilities aren't the same across the board, so its hard to put them all in the same boat and compare them that way.

But I just don't see "it" in Urlacher. I cede that Im not the best at deciphering offenses etc, but one thing I think I do know is my linebackers. And I don't see what I look for in Lbs in Urlacher.

Its all great now, but I just think that 5 years from now, we'll all view Urlacher in a different light than we view him now. I don't know if he has the intangibles to last beyond his athleticism.

Id say Urlacher is probably accurately described in context to his peers, but I think in comparison to others in NFL history, he gets more credit than he deserves. Thats my stance on him right now, until he shows me more.
I agree with you 100%. He was very overrated at the beginning of his career but he still is likely the best ILB, although you can always make arguments for guys like Donnie Edwards and Ray Lewis.
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People get carried away with Urlachers size and athleticism, but I like MLBs like Lewis, Vilma or Ryans who just fly to the ball laterally and carry the defense. I don't know if Urlacher would have the same success if he was playing for the Texans like Ryans did, but he's a very solid guy in the Bears system where his responsibilities are not as big. Al Wilson used to be one of the best, but he's beginning to decline. Zach Thomas is just a fiery competitor and I absolutely love that. Guys like that are invaluable to a defense. Urlacher definitely is in the mix for the best, but I don't think it should be a runaway competition. He's not a playmaker like Lewis and he isn't always around the ball like Ryans or Vilma.
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Totally agree he probably isnt the best but should atleast be on that list, he is young upcoming MLB who has racked over 100tks in his first 2 years and is the voice of a very strong young raider defense. Captain Kirk i believe will be recognized after this season if he keeps going performing as he has.
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Jonathan Vilma can get seriously overrated by people. He hasn't been any kind of playmaker since his rookie year. Even last year in his so called "pro bowl" season he wasn't all that great anyway. Tackles are nice, but when they're 7-8 yards behind the LOS they don't really carry a whole lot of weight.
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Old 04-07-2007, 10:57 PM    (permalink
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name a player that at some point doesn't get seriously overrated?? I will agree that he hasn't been the playmaker he was in his first year, but his second year was still very solid, and someone has to make the tackle, and he got to the ball very well. he made plenty of tackles at the line.

Last year he had the tackles, and they were further down the field, but it was his first time ever playing in that type of defense, and he is still a young player. everyone knew he was playing in a defense that doesn't help him and that he's undersized. he wasn't amazing, but he can still get better, which i expect him to this year.

i'm not sure what the purpose of ur statement was, not many people are proclaiming him as the best, and i will agree that i doubt he ever will be as long as he plays in a 3-4. but the ability is there if he was to play in an appropriate defense. hopefully he doesn't get over hyped, but i really don't think that he is
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I'm pretty sure everyone that mentioned Vilma in here said if he wasn't in a 3-4, when he was in a 4-3 he was very good, 3-4 he was good. I still don't get why Mangini switched the defense with that personnel.
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i really don't either. although the Jets did well last year, i'm not so sure if it really had that much to do with the switch of the defense. some defenders played well above previous seasons (Thomas) and some stepped up (Rhodes) but the personel still appears to be set for a 4-3, but Mangini is serious about the switch, who knows.

but this really isn't a Jets defense thread, so i shall stop.

I've heard many people state that Urlacher is overhyped, but i'm not really sold on what the reasons are. someone said he was overrated since his rookie year, which i find very hard to believe. He's played well since Week 6 of his rookie season when he took over the MIKE position on the Bears. i think people are looking for a reason to bring him down, but to make it easier, please state what u think makes the other person better than him.....

we've also had people throw out other names such as Edwards, Barnett, Pierce, etc. and although they are all solid/very solid players and deserve some attention, i don't know if u could classify them as the "best' at the position.
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i thought it would be a fairly straight forward question also, and judging by the poll it is.

Top 3 or Top 5 anyone?
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name a player that at some point doesn't get seriously overrated?? I will agree that he hasn't been the playmaker he was in his first year, but his second year was still very solid, and someone has to make the tackle, and he got to the ball very well. he made plenty of tackles at the line.

Last year he had the tackles, and they were further down the field, but it was his first time ever playing in that type of defense, and he is still a young player. everyone knew he was playing in a defense that doesn't help him and that he's undersized. he wasn't amazing, but he can still get better, which i expect him to this year.

i'm not sure what the purpose of ur statement was, not many people are proclaiming him as the best, and i will agree that i doubt he ever will be as long as he plays in a 3-4. but the ability is there if he was to play in an appropriate defense. hopefully he doesn't get over hyped, but i really don't think that he is
Something like 10 people voted that he was the best Mike in the game and several noted him as "carrying the defense". Is that or is it not overrating what Jonathan Vilma is as a player? Even two years ago when playing in the cover two he wasn't very good.

His tackles DID NOT happen at the line of scrimmage, I don't see how someone that watches the Jets could believe that. Our rushing defense was awful that year and Vilma was a part of that. He's a very capable sideline-sideline linebacker and he can drop back and cover very well, but he isn't a true playmaker by his own ability. He doesn't come up with huge plays every game and he doesn't create any turnovers. Naming him as an elite linebacker at this point would just not be true.
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i would have to agree that he does not "carry the defense" as some people have stated, and that the real playmaker of the defense is certainly Kerry Rhodes now. I Certainly do not believe that he is the best Mike in the game either, so i can agree with u to an extent. i do however find it hard to say that 2 years ago that "he wasn't very good". he didn't have the TOs but he was far from "not very good". but that may be a difference in opinion, and we can certainly agree to disagree on that point.

as for the tackles at the line of scrimmage part. last year i would have no chance to agrue with u because a very large portion of his tackles were 4 yards or further. but i believe that most people saw that coming. he's simply not big enough to handle the olinemen who get to him. he didn't shed blocks very well either IMO.
In previous years he made many more tackles closer to the line. by that i don't mean every tackle he made was there, but he did make his share, especially compared to the rest of the defense. Also attributing to the poor rush defense was the terrible offense. the defense was pounded game in and game out because the offense couldn't do anything but 3 and out crap. they got worn down big time.

He hasn't been a real playmaker the past 2 years, and i definitly expect more from him in that aspect. it doesn't add up considering his ability, and hopefully that changes. no dispute there. at this point he isn't a "elite" backer but i will say that he is very solid, and i truely believe that if in a different defensive scheme would be doing much better things.

i don't believe we are really in a dissagreement with what he does or doesn't do, but i will say that he has the ability to soon be a top backer, which isn't right now, but will probably need a change of scheme or scenery before that happens
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i dont think you should've put backers that was 1-3 years in the league. but i chose urlacher, because hes a beast and he gets the job done.
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The lack of respect that Zach Thomas gets is totally ridiculous. Im not talking about here, but for everywhere. No, he's not the best at his position, but it's crazy to think that that Urlacher is well beyond ahead of him.
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The lack of respect that Zach Thomas gets is totally ridiculous. Im not talking about here, but for everywhere. No, he's not the best at his position, but it's crazy to think that that Urlacher is well beyond ahead of him.
i cannon believe you just said this...of course a dolphin fan would say this..
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i cannon believe you just said this...of course a dolphin fan would say this..
Saying what? That he's underrated? You know it's true.
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Saying what? That he's underrated?
using zach thomas and urlacher in the same sentence. im not saying he sucks, but comparing with urlacher?
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using zach thomas and urlacher in the same sentence. im not saying he sucks, but comparing with urlacher?
Oh that part. Yeah I know that urlacher is the best MLB in the game right now. I know that and I know that he is ahead of Thomas in his game because he can do some things that Thomas can't match up to, but I don't really think that he is way way better. Just he is way better then him.
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Zach Thomas has pretty much always been underrated. but u better believe that people know what they are getting from him, and he has over-achieved. gotta love him, no matter who u are IMO. u'll never have someone say he's the best, but at some stages of his career he has been highly recognized.
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