Raiders Draft - Round Two

Tha rizzock · 04-06-2007, 07:34 PM

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Round 1, Pick# 1 - WR Calvin Johnson (GT)
The Play makers the raiders thought Randy Moss would be is here in calvin Johnson hes the best player in this whole draft and there are too many questions following Jamracus russel who is a good QB but not a great fit for a variation of the WCO. Calvin will likely be the #2 his rookie season next to Jerry porter with curry in the slot and with Moss likely gone or even if he is here calvin is too good to pass up.

Round 2, Pick# 1 - TE Zach Miller(AZ ST)
Will start right away and give whoever the QB is a target but not only that he can block too. There isnt a chance any TE on the raiders roster will start over him with the acception of Tony stewart in Two TE sets that USC used.

Round 3, Pick# 1 - QB Kevin Kolb(houston)
Kevin will automaticlly compete for the starting QB spot with Andrew,josh.
Kevin has evrything the raiders need a good solid arm,leadership qualties and can make plays with his feet. Greg knapp is exactly the kind of coach kevin needs to scuceed.

Round 3, Pick# 36 - OG manuel ramirez(texas Tech)
Will automatclly start at LG, mcquistan was a reach last season and did alright but ramrirez will be a perfect fit next to a vetran LT in the ZBS like barry simms.

Round 4, Pick# 1 - DE Brian Robinson(Texas)
Very fast and Athletic DE that will give a much needed pass rush weve been lacking. will proably start as a rook. Brain and derric can be the much needed pass rush the raiders have been needing for there secondary to make plays and pressure The QB.

Round 5, Pick# 1 - SS Zach Catanese (Arizona State)
Will see alot of playing time its only a matter of time untill stu gets yanked he cant tackle or hit at all.Yes we had the #1 pass defense but it was becuse we got ran alot and couldnt score points. Stu makes alot of mental errors and
never plays the run his tackling stats are overated becuse the person runs down field he hits them or they catch the ball in front of him and he hits them he will be a solid backup however.

Round 5, Pick# 28 - Traded for QB Josh mccown
We need a vetran presence type QB and hes perfect for that. Mccown will compete with walter kolb for the starting spot. Hes got a big arm and is mobile.

Round 6, Pick# 1 - OT Brandon Frye(V-tech)
VT runs the ZBS and this guy will fit right in with what we are trying to do and will proably see some playing time. Hes very fast and athletic which is prefect for the ZBS.

Round 7, Pick# 1 - DT Joe Cohen (Florida)
We need a DT who is a hard worker and to rotate with sapp,kelly,taj. Kelly is being paid starters money and will get a good amount of the snaps.

Round 7 pick#44- WR Jordan kent Oregon State
Hes a big fast track star who will likely see some action on the field in 4 WR sets he creates mismatches for smaller DBs. Will be a special team guy.

Roster
]Offense
Rookies*
QB-Josh mccown,Kevin Kolb*,Andrew walter,booty
RB-Lamont Jordan,Dom rhodes, Justin fargas
FB- Justin griffith,zach crockett
WR-Jerry porter
WR- calvin Johnson*
WR- Ronald curry
WR-Jordan kent*
TE-Zach Miller*, Tony stewart, John madsen, fred wakefield
(randal williams,courtney anderson are garbage)
LT-Barry simms, Brandon Frye*,corenll green
LG- Manuel ramriez*, Paul mcquistan
C-Jermey newberry(healthy), jake grove, chirs morris
RG-kevin Boothe, brad badger,corey hulsey
RT-Robert Gallery, chad slaughter

Defense
LDE-Brian robinson*,Lance Johnstone,tyler brayton
UT-Warren sapp,Joe cohen,antaj hawthorne
NT-Terdell sands,Tommy kelly
RDE-Derric Burgess,kevin huntley
WLB-Robert thomas,darnell bing,sam williams
MLB-Kirk Morrison,ricky brown
SLB-Thomas howard,isiah ekijuba
SS-*zach contoneeze,B.J ward
FS- Mike Huff,Stuart schweigert
LCB-Nnamdi asomugha, stanford routt,chirs carr
RCB-Fabian washington,duane starks,hiram euegene

K-seabass
P-lechler
KR/PR- chris carr

Stash · 04-06-2007, 11:09 PM

Love the CJ pick, but I doubt we take a TE Round 2 seeing as how we signed two of them already. Also, I don't think Ramirez would be a good fit for the ZBS that we are supposedly going to use even though I like him a lot. And if we take CJ #1, I doubt we take another WR in the draft, it would be overkill. That's just IMO.

Tha rizzock · 04-07-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Stash

Love the CJ pick, but I doubt we take a TE Round 2 seeing as how we signed two of them already. Also, I don't think Ramirez would be a good fit for the ZBS that we are supposedly going to use even though I like him a lot. And if we take CJ #1, I doubt we take another WR in the draft, it would be overkill. That's just IMO.

we need another WR after CJ becuse morant isnt anything special,curry could get hurt again, alvis whitted is junk,Moss may not be here and will buchanon is nothing more then a track guy.

The two TEs we signd are blocker nothing more. we have No pass catching TE outside of madsen anderson,williams should be cut becuse there junk.

Ramariez has the speed and strength to be in the ZBS so i think he would fit.

Thanks for the feedback

RaiderNation · 04-07-2007, 12:39 AM

no on the 2nd rounder. kalil or staley there. we go DE in the 3rd where kolb is and pick up palmer mayb in the 4th. we need a OLB in there. other than that VERY NICE

Tha rizzock · 04-07-2007, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RaiderNation

no on the 2nd rounder. kalil or staley there. we go DE in the 3rd where kolb is and pick up palmer mayb in the 4th. we need a OLB in there. other than that VERY NICE

DE will be adressed with brain robinson who would complment Burgess very nicely bro, we would need kolb to make sure we have a young QB whos a good fit for the offense unlike palmer would be. Kolb has alot of potential and is someone who i think fits very well in the offense we will run. Zach miller is what we need why take kalil when we have a center who is suited for the ZBS already? Grove is a good player in that system and J new is 100 healthy and knows the system as well we need play makers on offense and Miller will help that.

Thanks for the feedback bro

RaiderNation · 04-07-2007, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tha rizzock

DE will be adressed with brain robinson who would complment Burgess very nicely bro, we would need kolb to make sure we have a young QB whos a good fit for the offense unlike palmer would be. Kolb has alot of potential and is someone who i think fits very well in the offense we will run. Zach miller is what we need why take kalil when we have a center who is suited for the ZBS already? Grove is a good player in that system and J new is 100 healthy and knows the system as well we need play makers on offense and Miller will help that.

Thanks for the feedback bro

we have a young qb that fits...andrew walter. i think the DE need is bigger than the TE need so i think we go DE in the 3rd. Jnew inst our long term Center and grove looks to be moved to G.

My Draft
1st Calvin Johnson WR
Best player in the draft.
2nd Ryan Kalil C
Long term Center since grove will be moved to Guard
3rdA Ikaika Alama-Francis DE
Althletic and fast and will apply pressure from the other side of Burgess
3rdB Scott Chandler TE
A TE that has great size and okay speed.
4th Doug Free OT
Could be our future RT if Gallery turns out good.
5thA Derek Landri DT(could be traded for mccown)
Althetic DT that will be taught by Sapp
5thB Dallas Sartz OLB
USC guy who is pretty athletic
6th Gerald Alexander S
Will replace Gibson as a decent back up
7thA Isaiah Stanback QB/WR
An athlete that can play QB or WR
7thB Palauni Ma Sun OG
Huge Guard that could help our running game if hes giving playing time

Tha rizzock · 04-07-2007, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RaiderNation

we have a young qb that fits...andrew walter. i think the DE need is bigger than the TE need so i think we go DE in the 3rd. Jnew inst our long term Center and grove looks to be moved to G.

My Draft
1st Calvin Johnson WR
Best player in the draft.
2nd Ryan Kalil C
Long term Center since grove will be moved to Guard
3rdA Ikaika Alama-Francis DE
Althletic and fast and will apply pressure from the other side of Burgess
3rdB Scott Chandler TE
A TE that has great size and okay speed.
4th Doug Free OT
Could be our future RT if Gallery turns out good.
5thA Derek Landri DT(could be traded for mccown)
Althetic DT that will be taught by Sapp
5thB Dallas Sartz OLB
USC guy who is pretty athletic
6th Gerald Alexander S
Will replace Gibson as a decent back up
7thA Isaiah Stanback QB/WR
An athlete that can play QB or WR
7thB Palauni Ma Sun OG
Huge Guard that could help our running game if hes giving playing time

Offense is a bigger need then defense IMO. Zach miller is going to be a great TE bro any young QB need a TE like him. Brian robinson is a fast DE who ran in the 4.6 and was an ex basket ball player hes very athletic. Burg and brain would be sacking QBs like crazy. I think Kolb is a way better fit then wakter and hes alot diffrent too. Hes got a good arm but not like walter but way more accurate, Hes way faster ran a 4.6 and has quick football speed, isnt really tall and lankey, think quicker on his feet, has one of the quickest releases on a qb ive see and hes a perfect fit for greg knapp. chandler is a clone of anderson big and soft.
J-new just turned 30 and has alot of time left as does grove who will excel in a ZBS so i dont think he will be at guard unless we are super thin there.

Komp · 04-07-2007, 10:35 AM

I don't think we take a QB [other than JR] on day 1, especially if we end up with McCown...

Tha rizzock · 04-07-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Komp

I don't think we take a QB [other than JR] on day 1, especially if we end up with McCown...

why not? Kolb is a very talented QB and we need one like him hes perfect for knapp.

Stash · 04-07-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tha rizzock

we need another WR after CJ becuse morant isnt anything special,curry could get hurt again, alvis whitted is junk,Moss may not be here and will buchanon is nothing more then a track guy.

The two TEs we signd are blocker nothing more. we have No pass catching TE outside of madsen anderson,williams should be cut becuse there junk.

Ramariez has the speed and strength to be in the ZBS so i think he would fit.

Thanks for the feedback

Don't forget about Porter. CJ/Porter/Curry would be the starting three and then we have Morant and Whiitted as the extras. Even though I agree Morant is nothing special and Whitted sucks, they are still on the roster and picking up another WR in addition to CJ would be a waste.

Tha rizzock · 04-07-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Stash

Don't forget about Porter. CJ/Porter/Curry would be the starting three and then we have Morant and Whiitted as the extras. Even though I agree Morant is nothing special and Whitted sucks, they are still on the roster and picking up another WR in addition to CJ would be a waste.

special teams gunner to go along with coop and a big WR who can catch unlike whitted,morant and who wont fumble LOL i dont expect whitted to be around much longer and morant needs to be cut.

RaiderNation · 04-07-2007, 03:33 PM

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special teams gunner to go along with coop and a big WR who can catch unlike whitted,morant and who wont fumble LOL i dont expect whitted to be around much longer and morant needs to be cut.

they would be gone by now if we didnt want them

Komp · 04-07-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tha rizzock

why not? Kolb is a very talented QB and we need one like him hes perfect for knapp.

I think that would be a wasted pick. I don't see the point of having 3 young Qb's on the roster [with McCown]. I'd rather have good young OL prospects to either push veterans [Sims, Grove, etc] to play harder or to push for playing time themselves.

Tha rizzock · 04-07-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Komp

I think that would be a wasted pick. I don't see the point of having 3 young Qb's on the roster [with McCown]. I'd rather have good young OL prospects to either push veterans [Sims, Grove, etc] to play harder or to push for playing time themselves.

I dont think so hes a better fit for the offense we run and we would let him set back and wait a while. J-new will push grove and Frye will push simms becuse hes used to the ZBS even though hes a rook.

Paranoidmoonduck · 04-07-2007, 06:09 PM

I don't like the reaches on Miller and Cantanese and don't like picking up Robinson (who wouldn't help our run defense at all).

Also, Ramirez and his slow footed, T-rex armed self is a terrible fit for the ZBS. I don't think there is a worse guard in the draft for our scheme.

Also, Burgess is our LDE (strongside), just so you know.

Tha rizzock · 04-07-2007, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Paranoidmoonduck

I don't like the reaches on Miller and Cantanese and don't like picking up Robinson (who wouldn't help our run defense at all).

Also, Ramirez and his slow footed, T-rex armed self is a terrible fit for the ZBS. I don't think there is a worse guard in the draft for our scheme.

Also, Burgess is our LDE (strongside), just so you know.

Burg is the rightside DE dude he doesnt go up against the LT he goes against the RT. I highly doubt robinson wont help. Manny has good feet and is strong at the point of attack he can fit in the ZBS you just described mcquistan LOL

skatman · 04-07-2007, 07:34 PM

The DE facing the RT is referred to as the left end, and the guy facing the LT is referred to as the right end.

You guys are in agreement.

Paranoidmoonduck · 04-07-2007, 07:40 PM

Indeed Skatman, thanks.

Robinson would help, but he isn't what we need. As for Ramirez, he's even slower and has even shorter arms than McQuistan (who might never start in the new scheme). He's an awful awful fit.

neko4 · 04-07-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RaiderNation

no on the 2nd rounder. kalil or staley there. we go DE in the 3rd where kolb is and pick up palmer mayb in the 4th. we need a OLB in there. other than that VERY NICE

Kalil and staley shouldnt be there

Paranoidmoonduck · 04-07-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by neko4

Kalil and staley shouldnt be there

Staley won't be, but who do you see Kalil going to in the 1st? There isn't a single team from 20-32 who particularly needs a center, and certainly not enough to pass up the players who will be there.

TheChampIsHere · 04-07-2007, 07:45 PM

Besides Robinson in the 4th, I hate every pick on the 1st day. Manuel Ramirez in the ZBS? U gotta be kidding. I really dont like Calvin over Russell anymore, we need a QB too much to pass on Russell. Zach Miller in the 2nd? No way do we need to pick him that high, big reach there, give us an OL. Pass on Russell, pick up Kolb? No thank you.

Komp · 04-07-2007, 07:49 PM

Yah I just don't like your mock in general. You are entitled to your opinion tho.

Paranoidmoonduck · 04-07-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheChampIsHere

Besides Robinson in the 4th, I hate every pick on the 1st day.

The 4th round isn't on the 1st day.

skatman · 04-07-2007, 07:52 PM

I'm not crazy about it, but that might mean it's very possible.

Tha rizzock · 04-07-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheChampIsHere

Besides Robinson in the 4th, I hate every pick on the 1st day. Manuel Ramirez in the ZBS? U gotta be kidding. I really dont like Calvin over Russell anymore, we need a QB too much to pass on Russell. Zach Miller in the 2nd? No way do we need to pick him that high, big reach there, give us an OL. Pass on Russell, pick up Kolb? No thank you.

This draft is making people succed dude you put solid playmaker there for a QB miller isnt a reach at all dude just becuse his 40 was a little slow means nothing he still catches really well. I dont care for russel so yeah. Manny can do it hes got good feet and a strong punch with good balance.