Caddy Williams or Adrian Peterson

Big Mike · 04-08-2007, 07:07 PM

I'm not a Bucs fan but I found this rumor intriguing.

ARGUE!!!!!!!!!!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...nfl/index.html

-black · 04-08-2007, 07:18 PM

I LOVE Caddy, great dude, and truly is an example of a Buc. I would do this if we drafted Adrian Peterson

Caddy · 04-08-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by -black

I LOVE Caddy, great dude, and truly is an example of a Buc. I would do this if we drafted Adrian Peterson

You would trade him for an unknown pick and an unknown player? For all we know it could be a 7th rounder and Craig Nall.

As far as the Caddy in a wheel chair rumor goes, I think it is pure fabrication. Everybody who is anybody within the Bucs organisation has denied it and I don't think the Bucs are going after AD at all.

But in saying that, if we could get say a 1st rounder for Caddy and get AD, it would be a whole lot harder to say no.

-black · 04-08-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 24cadillac24

You would trade him for an unknown pick and an unknown player? For all we know it could be a 7th rounder and Craig Nall.

As far as the Caddy in a wheel chair rumor goes, I think it is pure fabrication. Everybody who is anybody within the Bucs organisation has denied it and I don't think the Bucs are going after AD at all.

But in saying that, if we could get say a 1st rounder for Caddy and get AD, it would be a whole lot harder to say no.

WHO SAID I WOULD TRADE CADDY? I think i made it clear that i would CRY if we drafted AD. So NO i would not draft AD or trade Caddy. We really gotta work on your humor recognition lol

Caddy · 04-08-2007, 09:35 PM

Explain how you made it clear you would cry. All you said was that you would do it (The trade in the link) if we drafted AD.

-black · 04-08-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 24cadillac24

Explain how you made it clear you would cry. All you said was that you would do it (The trade in the link) if we drafted AD.

um, I said I would do this (not it), and then on comes a gif with a bunch of people crying.....

Chucky · 04-09-2007, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 24cadillac24

You would trade him for an unknown pick and an unknown player? For all we know it could be a 7th rounder and Craig Nall.

As far as the Caddy in a wheel chair rumor goes, I think it is pure fabrication. Everybody who is anybody within the Bucs organisation has denied it and I don't think the Bucs are going after AD at all.

But in saying that, if we could get say a 1st rounder for Caddy and get AD, it would be a whole lot harder to say no.

Maybe if it was like Buffalos first rounder, but i still wouldnt want it to happen

04-09-2007, 01:14 AM

I would only take Peterson if CJ was off the board. If Thomas and Peterson were both on the board, I would trade down one spot with Arizona, let them take Thomas, then draft Peterson, then trade Caddy for a first rounder maybe Buffalo's.

etk · 04-09-2007, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Phrost

I would only take Peterson if CJ was off the board. If Thomas and Peterson were both on the board, I would trade down one spot with Arizona, let them take Thomas, then draft Peterson, then trade Caddy for a first rounder maybe Buffalo's.

Man that's a sick plan, I would love that. Cadillac is a solid starter right now, and this is similar to the Simms situation because he played well 2 years ago and struggled last year. There's also the factor of injuries. I see Peterson as a major upgrade over Cadillac, so for the right price this would be a terrific trade and plan.

Let's say CJ is off the board and we plan on drafting Okoye. Instead, we trade Caddy for a 2nd or maybe a 1st. In turn we get AD & another pick to add youth to our defense. I'd take that over Caddy & Okoye, but it's very close.

04-09-2007, 01:41 AM

Nice nice, So are you a Gruden fan? I am trying to identify all the Bucs peeps on this board.

04-09-2007, 03:48 AM

AP certainly has great potential but his downside could be his durability, the same could be said for Caddy.

As we have seen teams are more reliant on a 1-2 punch at RB with pairings such as Addai/Rhodes, Barber/Jones and Jones/Benson

How would a backfield of Peterson and Williams look. It may also help both players in staying fit, Caddy is used to having a partner RB from his time at Auburn and it may help Peterson get less injury prone.

If (and I cant see us doing it at the moment) we drafted AP i'd like us to keep him.

-black · 04-09-2007, 05:10 AM

how anyone would want to trade our franchise RB, top 5 pick, and ROTY from 2 years ago baffles me. The instance AD got his first injury we would feel really stupid. This is not Madden, so it wont happen. And even if it did, it would be absolutely rediculous

Caddy · 04-09-2007, 08:32 AM

A two back field with Peterson and Caddy? Never going to happen.

etk · 04-09-2007, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 24cadillac24

A two back field with Peterson and Caddy? Never going to happen.

I agree, we don't have that luxury.

Merlin · 04-09-2007, 01:26 PM

I really hate the idea of us picking Peterson........period!

I see no real value in trading Caddy, especially for a injury prone rookie, if your looking for a 1-2 punch ala Addai/Rhodes, find a RB who can catch in a lower rounds, someone like Arizona's 6'1 - 235lb Chris Henry.

etk · 04-09-2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlin

I really hate the idea of us picking Peterson........period!

I see no real value in trading Caddy, especially for a injury prone rookie, if your looking for a 1-2 punch ala Addai/Rhodes, find a RB who can catch in a lower rounds, someone like Arizona's 6'1 - 235lb Chris Henry.

Chris Henry is not the right fit opposite Cadillac. I would like to see us take Darius Walker. Top-notch analysis on your dislike of Peterson. I figured you would love to have him: Great college production, but not really a true need above other positions. Too bad he doesn't fade away in big games.

-black · 04-09-2007, 02:33 PM

If we got an extra 3rd rounder I would love to pick up Lorenzo Booker

Tampa 2 4 life · 04-09-2007, 05:04 PM

I think Cadillac is more of Sure thing than Peterson, and truthfully I think we'd value cadillac more than anyone would pay. I would see us asking for a 2nd rounder and a decent to good young defensive player/Center. As for looking for a back in the draft, I wouldn't mind drafting Tony Hunt to be the replacement for Alstott.

etk · 04-09-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tampa 2 4 life

I think Cadillac is more of Sure thing than Peterson, and truthfully I think we'd value cadillac more than anyone would pay. I would see us asking for a 2nd rounder and a decent to good young defensive player/Center. As for looking for a back in the draft, I wouldn't mind drafting Tony Hunt to be the replacement for Alstott.

Cadillac more of a sure thing? C'mon please....

In 28 games he has a whopping YPC of 3.8, and a grand total of 7 TDs. Once again, he has a grand total of 1.79 catches per game.

Those are just stats, he's even less dependable when you consider his injury history. The problem is that both Cadillac and Peterson are upright slashers, and thus they are both more prone to injury and probably will continue to have problems in that department.

I don't think we value Cadillac that highly anymore because of his injuries and lack of an impact in the passing game. I'm sure Gruden would love a guy like Marshawn Lynch over Cadillac, as well as AD. They are both very productive and great receivers.

Tampa 2 4 life · 04-09-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by etk

Cadillac more of a sure thing? C'mon please....

In 28 games he has a whopping YPC of 3.8, and a grand total of 7 TDs. Once again, he has a grand total of 1.79 catches per game.

Those are just stats, he's even less dependable when you consider his injury history. The problem is that both Cadillac and Peterson are upright slashers, and thus they are both more prone to injury and probably will continue to have problems in that department.

I don't think we value Cadillac that highly anymore because of his injuries and lack of an impact in the passing game. I'm sure Gruden would love a guy like Marshawn Lynch over Cadillac, as well as AD. They are both very productive and great receivers.

Cadillac has been productive in the league, has had less major injuries than peterson, although he still is very injury prone. I think that makes him a bit more of a sure thing. Truthfully I wouldn't mind picking up a running back, but I just think Gruden won't give up on him so easily. Remember Gruden had Garner in Oakland who was virtually the same style runner.

etk · 04-09-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tampa 2 4 life

Cadillac has been productive in the league, has had less major injuries than peterson, although he still is very injury prone. I think that makes him a bit more of a sure thing. Truthfully I wouldn't mind picking up a running back, but I just think Gruden won't give up on him so easily. Remember Gruden had Garner in Oakland who was virtually the same style runner.

I agree, Cadillac will be given another chance, just like Simms.

Caddy · 04-09-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by etk

I agree, Cadillac will be given another chance, just like Simms.

lol..Keeping up the faith in Simms I see..

I think a 3.8 YPC average is decent for Caddy when you consider what he has to run behind. The O-line has been steadily improving and if Caddy can rid himself of injury concers there is no reason why he shouldn't run at a 4.5 YPC average or higher.

etk · 04-09-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 24cadillac24

lol..Keeping up the faith in Simms I see..

I think a 3.8 YPC average is decent for Caddy when you consider what he has to run behind. The O-line has been steadily improving and if Caddy can rid himself of injury concers there is no reason why he shouldn't run at a 4.5 YPC average or higher.

Exactly, with our OLine improving and the possibility of adding CJ, there's no reason why Simms shouldn't have at least 20 TD passes with a rating above 85! The only reason I can think of is if our coaches want to be mediocre and start Garcia, who will not have the same success in our difficult offense with less weapons than Philadelphia.

-black · 04-09-2007, 07:05 PM

why are you compairing a player who we took in the top 5, made our franchise runner, and ROTY to Chris Simms....a QB who barely was a 1st day pick? We had a rookie QB along with 2 rookie OL. Teams stacked the box and DARED us to throw, which we could not do. Yet still, we expected Caddy to rush for 200 yards, averaging 7.5 YCP and score 4 TD's a game. We have some pretty impatient and unrealistic fans. I guess the ones who had to endure the tough seasons know how to endure.

etk · 04-09-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by -black

why are you compairing a player who we took in the top 5, made our franchise runner, and ROTY to Chris Simms....a QB who barely was a 1st day pick? We had a rookie QB along with 2 rookie OL. Teams stacked the box and DARED us to throw, which we could not do. Yet still, we expected Caddy to rush for 200 yards, averaging 7.5 YCP and score 4 TD's a game. We have some pretty impatient and unrealistic fans. I guess the ones who had to endure the tough seasons know how to endure, instead of getting rid of people every year

Dear God, thank you -black. I didn't endure the tough seasons, but I can understand how pissed you get when some of these guys call for everyones' head after one disappointing season. Sorry guys, but not all of our players will be perfect, that's just how sports works! Sometimes you have to stick with what you got.....