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Old 04-10-2007, 07:51 AM    (permalink
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I would do everthing I could do to help my 100 million dollar QB. Payton M has R. Wayne and M. Harrision. Lets just see what can happen if he had #1 WR.

1st RD 2 overall pick WR Calvin Johnson
WE Trade our 8 pick and both 2 round picks + next year 5 round pick.
Our next pick should
3rd round pick FS Brandon Meriweather Miami (FL) 5-105/8 195 4.47
He will drop because of charcter issues just like Jimmy Willams.

We have 2 4 round pick
RB M. Bush
DE Tim Crowder Texas 6-35/8 272 4.69

Most of our need we be covered.

What is two much for calvin Johnson?
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Merriweather looks to be going late 1st or early 2nd
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I would do everthing I could do to help my 100 million dollar QB. Payton M has R. Wayne and M. Harrision. Lets just see what can happen if he had #1 WR.

1st RD 2 overall pick WR Calvin Johnson
WE Trade our 8 pick and both 2 round picks + next year 5 round pick.
Our next pick should
3rd round pick FS Brandon Meriweather Miami (FL) 5-105/8 195 4.47
He will drop because of charcter issues just like Jimmy Willams.

We have 2 4 round pick
RB M. Bush
DE Tim Crowder Texas 6-35/8 272 4.69

Most of our need we be covered.

What is two much for calvin Johnson?
Jimmy Williams dropped from first round to second round. Same thing I would hope to happen to Meriweather.
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I wouldn't trade anything. The team needs impact players at several positions. The team isn't one player away from contention, which is the only circumstance where you 'sell the farm' for one player.
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I could live with it if we gave up the 8th, Falcons 2nd this year, a Denver's 4th this year and Houston's 2nd next year.
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I could live with it if we gave up the 8th, Falcons 2nd this year, a Denver's 4th this year and Houston's 2nd next year.
Likewise, as I suggested elsewhere. That's not selling the farm. We'd still have complete first days in 2007 and 2008. It's just selling Schaub.

I'd be torn as to whether to do it or not, because I would also like to fill all our needs. However, if it does happen, I would not be upset.
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Likewise, as I suggested elsewhere. That's not selling the farm. We'd still have complete first days in 2007 and 2008. It's just selling Schaub.

I'd be torn as to whether to do it or not, because I would also like to fill all our needs. However, if it does happen, I would not be upset.
I think the Falcons can fill much needed positions (S, OL, DE) in the 2nd, 3rd, and with two 4ths,and get depth in the 5th, 6th, and 7th. The Falcons don't need to replace the entire squad, so they can also get depth from undrafted FA.
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Possibly, though i'm not keen on having a 4th rounder, or even 3rd rounder, starting from day 1.

And we probably need new starters at both FS and LDE, and possibly also LT and LG.
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FS is the only position I can see someone coming in and starting from Day 1.

If the Falcons somehow manage to get Calvin, I don't see the OL being that much of problem not to be solved with a 2nd, 3rd, or one of the 4ths.

Simply because the Blitz will be off and a lot of teams will only rush 4. One thing the Falcons have never had with Vick is a threat at WR. With CJ, Horn, Finn, and Jenk (upon improvement) they will have 4. That's scary along with Crump, Norwood and Dunn. ONLY IF EVERYONE CAN STAY HEALTHY!!!!!!

If the current OL finds it a problem to handle that, then they need to bagging groceries at the local supermarket.
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I could live with it if we gave up the 8th, Falcons 2nd this year, a Denver's 4th this year and Houston's 2nd next year.
That isn't enough value. No where close, actually.
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That isn't enough value. No where close, actually.
No, it's not, but it doesn't mean that DET wouldn't take it if it was the best offer on the table. Whether other teams would offer more is, of course, another question.

Of course, this is all speculation, and I highly doubt that we move up at all. BUT, at that price, I wouldn't be upset.
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No, it's not, but it doesn't mean that DET wouldn't take it if it was the best offer on the table. Whether other teams would offer more is, of course, another question.

Of course, this is all speculation, and I highly doubt that we move up at all. BUT, at that price, I wouldn't be upset.
Neither would I. But Detroit won't just trade the pick away for a discount price. They will need either both of our 2nd round picks, or one of the 2nds and the '08 1st round pick. That is too pricey.
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I would do everthing I could do to help my 100 million dollar QB. Payton M has R. Wayne and M. Harrision. Lets just see what can happen if he had #1 WR.

1st RD 2 overall pick WR Calvin Johnson
WE Trade our 8 pick and both 2 round picks + next year 5 round pick.
Our next pick should
3rd round pick FS Brandon Meriweather Miami (FL) 5-105/8 195 4.47
He will drop because of charcter issues just like Jimmy Willams.

We have 2 4 round pick
RB M. Bush
DE Tim Crowder Texas 6-35/8 272 4.69

Most of our need we be covered.

What is two much for calvin Johnson?
The Falcons should help their $100MM QB by getting him more protection . . . not more 1st round WR's. I think you have the relationship between P. Manning, Wayne, and Harrison mixed up. Harrison and Wayne are good, but Manning makes them superstars, not the other way around.

Merriweather won't be there in the 3rd round, but if we are plaing make believe, you should just have CJ drop to #8. Then you can keep your 2nd rounders.
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I could live with it if we gave up the 8th, Falcons 2nd this year, a Denver's 4th this year and Houston's 2nd next year.
Other's have pointed out that this will not get the job done. I think the Falcon's would be foolish to make this trade even if Detroit would take it. There will be a lot of starters coming from the top of the 2nd round this year, and Landry is the best Defensive player available, IMO. Adding a potential superstar WR will not help the Falcons as much as upgrading the defense and OL.

I'm envious of the Falcon's draft positions for the next 2 years if they can keep all of their picks.
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If we could get Joe Thomas @ #8 then that'd be the only way we would take a LT with our first pick imo.
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Other's have pointed out that this will not get the job done. I think the Falcon's would be foolish to make this trade even if Detroit would take it. There will be a lot of starters coming from the top of the 2nd round this year, and Landry is the best Defensive player available, IMO. Adding a potential superstar WR will not help the Falcons as much as upgrading the defense and OL.

I'm envious of the Falcon's draft positions for the next 2 years if they can keep all of their picks.

Out those 3 picks we miss on all of those picks would be happy?

If we gat LANDURY WHAT HIS STATS WOULD BE AND HIS IMPACT AND HIS ROOKIE YEAR COMPARSION.

lANDDURY sTARTS 16 GAMES 79 TACKLES 4 INT cOMPARSSION mIKE HUFF ROOKIE YEAR
cLAVIN jOHNSON 16 GAMES 58 reC 10 td cOMPARSION lARRY fITZ


cLAVIN IN THIS TEAM MAKES US A BETTER BECAUSE HE BRINGS THE 8 MAN OUT OF THE BOX AND MAYBE HE DRAW A DOUBLE TEAM AND THAT WILL OPEN UP RUNNING LANES
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Out those 3 picks we miss on all of those picks would be happy?

If we gat LANDURY WHAT HIS STATS WOULD BE AND HIS IMPACT AND HIS ROOKIE YEAR COMPARSION.

lANDDURY sTARTS 16 GAMES 79 TACKLES 4 INT cOMPARSSION mIKE HUFF ROOKIE YEAR
cLAVIN jOHNSON 16 GAMES 58 reC 10 td cOMPARSION lARRY fITZ


cLAVIN IN THIS TEAM MAKES US A BETTER BECAUSE HE BRINGS THE 8 MAN OUT OF THE BOX AND MAYBE HE DRAW A DOUBLE TEAM AND THAT WILL OPEN UP RUNNING LANES

I 2nd that!
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Out those 3 picks if we miss on all of those picks would you be happy?

If we gat LANDURY WHAT HIS STATS WOULD BE AND HIS IMPACT AND HIS ROOKIE YEAR COMPARSION.

lANDDURY sTARTS 16 GAMES 79 TACKLES 4 INT cOMPARSSION mIKE HUFF ROOKIE YEAR
cLAVIN jOHNSON 16 GAMES 58 reC 10 td cOMPARSION lARRY fITZ


cLAVIN IN THIS TEAM MAKES US A BETTER BECAUSE HE BRINGS THE 8 MAN OUT OF THE BOX AND MAYBE HE DRAW A DOUBLE TEAM AND THAT WILL OPEN UP RUNNING LANES

Would calvin help our team and how or how or how not!

he helps keeps the defense off the field because we will be making firts down.
Would landry help our team and how and how or how not
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yes Calvin would help...but what would you rather have?

1 - WR Calvin Johnson

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8 - S LaRon Landry
39 - OT Joe Staley
44 - DE Quentin Moses
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yes Calvin would help...but what would you rather have?

1 - WR Calvin Johnson

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8 - S LaRon Landry
39 - OT Joe Staley
44 - DE Quentin Moses

This year we will have to outscore people to win?
Our Def is not going to be great this year

We could fix our offense a lot faster with this year draft than our def with this year draft.

We have a easy schedule and we will be working out 3 wr set.
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Beside injury

We have lost the game becasue we can not substain drives.
Also during clutch time in the games our wr drop the ball more time than our safety got burned for the game winner on a deep pass.
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yes Calvin would help...but what would you rather have?

1 - WR Calvin Johnson

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8 - S LaRon Landry
39 - OT Joe Staley
44 - DE Quentin Moses
No way Staley falls to 39 at this point.
No way Moses is worth the 44th pick in the draft, I'd MUCH rather have Calvin.
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Out those 3 picks we miss on all of those picks would be happy?

If we gat LANDURY WHAT HIS STATS WOULD BE AND HIS IMPACT AND HIS ROOKIE YEAR COMPARSION.

lANDDURY sTARTS 16 GAMES 79 TACKLES 4 INT cOMPARSSION mIKE HUFF ROOKIE YEAR
cLAVIN jOHNSON 16 GAMES 58 reC 10 td cOMPARSION lARRY fITZ


cLAVIN IN THIS TEAM MAKES US A BETTER BECAUSE HE BRINGS THE 8 MAN OUT OF THE BOX AND MAYBE HE DRAW A DOUBLE TEAM AND THAT WILL OPEN UP RUNNING LANES
It's hard to argue with this logic.

The Falcons need way more than one WR to be a winner. They have talent at the WR position and it would be a mistake to take 1 more WR than to get 3 potential impact players at positions of real need.
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It's hard to argue with this logic.

The Falcons need way more than one WR to be a winner. They have talent at the WR position and it would be a mistake to take 1 more WR than to get 3 potential impact players at positions of real need.


Everyone knows vick is a great talent. It would be nice to see what vick would look like with another super athlete at wr.

When D Mac 5 had Terrel Owens they went to the superbowl.
Before than they went 3 divisinal title.

Vick led us to play in one title game with sub par talent at wr. I know we are saying we drafted two first rd wr but known to cablier of CJ.

IS Calvin Johnson better than any WR on our team?
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I can live with whatever decision McKay and Petrino makes...... Whether they move up to get Johnson or stay put and select Landry or move back and select Nelson....... You can't miss a player you never had..... You can be mad because you skipped him, after the fact..... but only so many players drafted will be put in schemes where they can flourish their first couple of years.....

Saying that if the Falcons draft someone who is productive and can help the Team within the 1st couple of years and they do, then I'm happy.

MEANING: the draft is 2 weeks away..... I just have to sit back and watch.
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