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View Poll Results: Who SHOULD win DPOY?
Robert Quinn 14 28.57%
Robert Mathis 9 18.37%
Richard Sherman 3 6.12%
Earl Thomas III 1 2.04%
Luke Kuechly 12 24.49%
Lavonte David 3 6.12%
Karlos Dansby 3 6.12%
Vontaze Burfict 1 2.04%
NaVorro Bowman 0 0%
Other (who?) 3 6.12%
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And who WILL win it?

The contenders (defense ranked by PPG - more important than YPG):

Robert Quinn, DE, Rams (13th ranked defense)
19.0 sacks (2nd in NFL)
7 FF
1 TD
57 tackles

It's a tough to see him winning on a mediocre defense (would have been better if their offense was awful) without the sack (or FF) title. But he's special and a better overall player than Mathis as the best true DE in the NFL.

Robert Mathis, DE, Colts (9th ranked defense)
19.5 sacks (1st in NFL)
8 FF
1 safety
59 tackles

The best player on a pretty good defense. He's got the sack title and FF title. Right in the thick of the race.

Richard Sherman, CB, Seahawks (1st ranked defense)
8 INT (1st in NFL)
24 passes defensed (1st in NFL)
1 TD
49 tackles

He was sensational in coverage. While it's popular to note that he benefits from Thomas covering him in center field, Sherman's made plenty of plays without any safety help in one-on-one situations. Opposing QBs have a 51 QB rating throwing at him this year. The only knock is penalties, but he could still win the award after one of the greatest CB seasons of the modern passing era. His notoriety might help him get votes, right or wrong.

Earl Thomas III, FS, Seahawks (1st ranked defense)
104 tackles (6th among safeties)
5 INT
13 passes defensed
2 FF

Probably doesn't stand much of a chance against some of the more impressive stat resumes these guys have. But he's the best player on the best defense. A few more picks and he might be the front-runner.

Luke Kuechly, MLB, Panthers (2nd ranked defense)
156 tackles (4th in NFL)
2 sacks
4 INT
11 passes defensed

The unquestionable best player on the 2nd best defense in the league. A quarterback of the defense and tackling machine (broke the single-game record) he also made some clutch plays (hehe pats fans) on big stages. Best 4-3 Mike in just his second year.

Lavonte David, OLB, Buccaneers (21st ranked defense)
144 tackles (6th in NFL)
6 sacks
2 FF
1 safety
5 INT
15 passes defensed

The first player in history with 5 sacks and 5 picks in one season. While that's a truly impressive feat the reality is that a guy on the 21st ranked defense who didn't lead any stat categories won't win the award. Still deserves a lot of recognition.

Karlos Dansby, ILB, Cardinals (7th ranked defense)
122 tackles
6.5 sacks
1 FF
4 INT
2 TD
23 passes defensed (2nd in NFL)

Dansby won't win the award but he had an incredible year as the leader on one of the league's best defenses. The stats speak for themselves.

Vontaze Burfict, OLB, Bengals (5th ranked defense)
171 tackles (1st in NFL)
3 sacks
1 FF
1 INT
9 passes defensed
1 TD

Led the league in tackles on a very good D. Crazy to think how far he's come after the horrid draft process. Might get some votes but I doubt he wins the award in part because he's not that well known.

NaVorro Bowman, ILB, 49ers (3rd ranked defense)
145 tackles (5th in NFL)
5 sacks
4 FF
2 INT
11 passes defensed
1 TD

Bowman had probably the most visible DPOY moment on MNF against the Falcons with a game-winning pick-six. He's one of the best defensive players in the NFL and had a stat-stuffing year on the leagues third-ranked defense, making him a terrific DPOY candidate.

Honorable mention:
J.J. Watt, DE, Texans
Cameron Jordan, DE, Saints
Thomas Davis, LB, Panthers
Kraken, DE, Hogwarts
Jurrell Casey, DT, Titans
Muhammad Wilkerson, DE, Jets
DeAndre Levy, LB, Lions
Kiko Alonso, LB, Bills
Mychal Kendricks, LB, Eagles
Brent Grimes, CB, Dolphins
T.J. Ward, S, Browns
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JJ Watt is an honorable mention? I think he has had a pretty good year. Blocking him is a nightmare.
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He's not going to win the award up against all those guys with far superior stats. Especially on a bad defense.
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He's not going to win the award up against all those guys with far superior stats. Especially on a bad defense.
I know he isn't going to win the award. In this day and age it is either sacks, interceptions, highlight plays in primetime, or playing on a notable team that gets you the award. Form is more important than actual substance. You can say that about almost every award in the NFL.
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Im just happy to see Thomas Davis as a candidate after all that he is gone through but my vote went to his teammate.
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So... is that your way of saying you think Watt should win the award this year?
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So... is that your way of saying you think Watt should win the award this year?
I'm saying he should be a heavy contender for the honor.
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Out of all the players listed, Quinn is the one I've watched who looked unstoppable. Teams have to play away from him, and that's huge. Cardinals defense remains underrated, and Dansby has been an integral part of that. Haven't watched enough of the Panthers this year to say much about Keuchly. Richard Sherman has probably had a couple more "wow" moments than Earl Thomas, if I was to pick a Seahawk. Although I do think Thomas might be more important to the defense. Defenders always rely so much on their teammates it's hard to pick one. In that sense it's almost easier to praise someone like LaVonte David, who clearly had an excellent season, because he had to do everything.
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Mathis, Sherman and Kuechly are the three real contenders I think and I doubt Mathis gets it.

Sherman is obviously more attention grabbing and finished the season with a flurry.

Kuechly is more important to his defense (simply because the Hawks have better overall defensive talent) and so I think he'll win the award. Earl Thomas being so good probably makes the difference here, as Kuechly has no one on his D that is considered as highly.
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The more I think about it, I see the Thomas/Sherman duo sort of splitting votes and canceling each other out. I don't think Mathis has enough recognition, and I really think him surpassing Quinn's stats knocks out Quinn.

For those reasons, gun to my head, Kuechly gets it. I think Sherman finishes second in the voting.

Bowman has a strong case though.
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I love Sherman, and he has a great season, but it's so hard for corners to win this award. Look at some of the season Champ Bailey and Revis had over the last little while, and neither of them has an award to show for it
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I think Kuechly will win it but I think Dansby should win it.
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I also want to be a homer quick and mention Paul Posluszny. He plays in Jacksonville so he won't get any recognition despite leading the league in solo tackles and having numbers similar to NaVorro Bowman, Burfict, and Dansby in only 15 games.
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It'll be Kuechly, should be Quinn.
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Should be Watt, will be Sherman.
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I'm going to say Lavonte David simply because I want the defensive player of the year not to be a pro bowler. If you want the pro bowl to go away, that's a good way to get the ball rolling IMO.
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I vote Quinn, Will be Kuechly.
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It should be noted that Keuchly and Dansby both have some incredible defensive linemen playing in front of him. Keuchly especially. He might have the best defensive line in the NFL right now, and nobody knows it. He can fly around doing whatever he wants because offensive lines can't take any attention off of Greg Hardy, Charles Johnson, and Star Lotulelei.
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The Bucs really ask Lavonte David to do everything, and he hasn't got nearly the supporting cast. I think these awards definitely ought to be more like consolation prizes than extra feathers in a winner's cap. It's an opportunity to point to individual success rather than team success, so I don't really buy the idea that the DPOTY ought to be playing on a contender. Contending defenses typically have a number of excellent players who all benefit from each other, so individual success isn't as obvious.
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It should be noted that Keuchly and Dansby both have some incredible defensive linemen playing in front of him. Keuchly especially. He might have the best defensive line in the NFL right now, and nobody knows it. He can fly around doing whatever he wants because offensive lines can't take any attention off of Greg Hardy, Charles Johnson, and Star Lotulelei.
He was playing at just as a high of level last year when outside of Dwan Edwards, who is decent, we had nobody at defensive tackle.
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He was playing at just as a high of level last year when outside of Dwan Edwards, who is decent, we had nobody at defensive tackle.
I'm not suggesting that he's playing at anything other than a high level, but rather that his performance is further enhanced by his teammates. A linebacker doesn't do as much for his linemen as linemen do for their linebackers. Hence my vote for Quinn instead of Keuchly, Dansby or Bowman. Quinn's an immediately, front-line disruption who's instantly in the pocket on a lot of plays. Doing that is more disruptive to opposing offenses than a linebacker. But like I said, I haven't watched the Panthers more than once or twice this year, and when I did, their defensive line was what caught my attention more than Keuchly. Similarly, when you watch the Rams, your eyes are drawn to Quinn because it tends to be where the pocket is collapsing like somebody stuck a pin in a balloon.

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I'm not suggesting that he's playing at anything other than a high level, but rather that his performance is further enhanced by his teammates. A linebacker doesn't do as much for his linemen as linemen do for their linebackers. Hence my vote for Quinn instead of Keuchly, Dansby or Bowman. Quinn's an immediately, front-line disruption who's instantly in the pocket on a lot of plays. Doing that is more disruptive to opposing offenses than a linebacker. But like I said, I haven't watched the Panthers more than once or twice this year, and when I did, their defensive line was what caught my attention more than Keuchly. Similarly, when you watch the Rams, your eyes are drawn to Quinn because it tends to be where the pocket is collapsing like somebody stuck a pin in a balloon.
It sounds like you're giving Quinn an advantage because he is a defensive end. To each their own, but I think DPOY should go to simply best defensive player regardless of position, not the best player at the most impactful position (MVP != POY). I'm not saying Quinn isn't deserving of DPOY, but I personally wouldn't give him any particular advantage simply due to his position.
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I feel like the arguments you guys are making about playing behind good DLs only makes the argument for Puz that much better.
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It sounds like you're giving Quinn an advantage because he is a defensive end.
Yeah, I'd say so. An elite defensive end is more important than an elite ILB, so if I'm going to give the award to one or the other I'd give it to the DE.


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To each their own, but I think DPOY should go to simply best defensive player regardless of position, not the best player at the most impactful position
...why? If you have two players who have played at (hypothetically) the same level, and one player has a bigger impact on the game due to the position he plays, why would you give it to the other player? That seems arbitrary.

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I'm not saying Quinn isn't deserving of DPOY, but I personally wouldn't give him any particular advantage simply due to his position.
It's not 'simply' due to his position; it's that when you watch the two of them play, Quinn disrupts more plays by himself.

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I feel like the arguments you guys are making about playing behind good DLs only makes the argument for Puz that much better.
They do.
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Despite my homer love for Bowman . I picked Kuechly . He's had good solid season in just tackles a lone and is on every play just about.
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