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Old 07-31-2006, 08:57 AM    (permalink
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Default Dontrelle Willis or Carlos Zambrano?

I realize there is a baseball discussion, but this is a big topic and I'm including a poll, so I think it deserves it's own thread for atleast a half a day.

That being said, what pitcher would you rather have? Both are extremely young, Willis 24 and Zambrano being 25. They both are very big pitchers who can hit. They both have very fast fastballs, although Zambrano's gains a bit more velocity. They both put movement on nearly every pitch and are very "interesting" on the mound. That being said, what pitcher would you rather have?

I'm going to say Zambrano, only because he has been consistently dominant nearly his entire career, whereas Dontrelle has really only had 1 absolute dominant year and 1 more above average 1 his rookie year, where as 2004, and now, 2006, he has struggled massively. Granted, those years, he coincidently had a pretty bad team, however,Carlos Zambrano hasn't exactly had gem teams in his cub career.
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Dontrelle. If he were on a powerhouse team he would be unbelievable.
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It's a shame he has to play for the Cubs.
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Anyone else?

And also, I don't think it's fair to vote for Dontrelle because he plays on a horrible team, because the Cubs are less than spectacular themselves...
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It's a shame he has to play for the Cubs.
He just has better stuff and is a much better pitcher and is finally putting it all together. I always knew he was going to be the Ace of that rotation.

Plus he hass a CY Young which is something the D-Train doesn't have.
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And the D-Train can hit
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Zambrano - he has filthy stuff
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And also, I don't think it's fair to vote for Dontrelle because he plays on a horrible team, because the Cubs are less than spectacular themselves...
I think the Marlins have a better record than the Cubs by the way. So that should not have anything to do with an argument.
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The D-Train gets my vote!
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The D-train. When he is on, he us unhitable. He never has good back to back seasons though. Next year if the Marlins actually compete, he will be dominant.
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Zambrano, his stuff is more intimidating.
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I'm going with Zambrano. He can be flat out dominant and always gives a solid outing. I feel like Willis is a half of the year player than just fails. Not to mention the World Baseball Classic...
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Personally, I'd say Zambrano. While Willis is a great pitcher when he wants to be, he isn't consistent enough. He was top notch last season, but he hasn't shown the same dominance this season. The last few years, Zambrano has been consistently great and consistence is the key.
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Old 07-31-2006, 11:23 AM    (permalink
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Ok, well I was using this for a draft, and I think I'm going to go with Zambrano. This was my gut and initial decision, but I didn't want to make the wrong choice, so I wanted to check. Thanks for your opinoins etc. it honestly helped!
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Carlos. Dontrelle is a great young picther and won 22 last season, but if you are 12-3 with the cubs you are dominant.
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Dontrelle. If he were on a powerhouse team he would be unbelievable.
cuz zambrano is on a powerhouse team :roll:
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It's a shame he has to play for the Cubs.
He just has better stuff and is a much better pitcher and is finally putting it all together. I always knew he was going to be the Ace of that rotation.

Plus he hass a CY Young which is something the D-Train doesn't have.
um.... Unless you're talking about this year... Carlos doesn't have a Cy Young.

Funny that both these guys are Cubs products. I wish we would've never traded Willis, although who knows if he'd have been nearly as good.
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I'd take Carlos.
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Dontrelle. If he were on a powerhouse team he would be unbelievable.
cuz zambrano is on a powerhouse team :roll:
The Marlins have thrived on pitching for many years. So when Dontrelle is on the mound, he has the game essentially on his shoulders.


Up until this year, the cubs have been pretty good on offense. So if Zambrano were to give up 5 runs, the game would not be over.
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Dontrelle. If he were on a powerhouse team he would be unbelievable.
cuz zambrano is on a powerhouse team :roll:
The Marlins have thrived on pitching for many years. So when Dontrelle is on the mound, he has the game essentially on his shoulders.


Up until this year, the cubs have been pretty good on offense. So if Zambrano were to give up 5 runs, the game would not be over.
that makes your statement completely pointless. Zambrano has done better than Willis this year even with a terrible offense
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Dontrelle. If he were on a powerhouse team he would be unbelievable.
cuz zambrano is on a powerhouse team :roll:
The Marlins have thrived on pitching for many years. So when Dontrelle is on the mound, he has the game essentially on his shoulders.


Up until this year, the cubs have been pretty good on offense. So if Zambrano were to give up 5 runs, the game would not be over.
that makes your statement completely pointless. Zambrano has done better than Willis this year even with a terrible offense
you're wrong... what makes the statement pointless is that it is absolutely false.
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If I had to pick one for my team it would be Dontrelle. That is all I will say.
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