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Old 08-01-2006, 08:48 PM    (permalink) 
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Zambrano is better by a bunch. Wilis is a good pitcher but Zambrano is an ace.
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Old 08-01-2006, 08:50 PM    (permalink) 
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Both are Aces. Give me a valid argument why dontrelle isnt an ace.
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:04 PM    (permalink) 
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I think stuff wise both are tops yet Dontrelle's delivery worries me still.
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:20 PM    (permalink) 
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Both are Aces. Give me a valid argument why dontrelle isnt an ace.
go to baseballprospectus.com, Joel Sheehan's Prospectus today from a couple days ago puts forth a good argument why he isn't. If you don't have BP Premium I'll PM you the article because I'm pretty sure I can't post it. (Though you should have BP Premium, a must have for any baseball fan)
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:22 PM    (permalink) 
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Both are Aces. Give me a valid argument why dontrelle isnt an ace.
go to baseballprospectus.com, Joel Sheehan's Prospectus today from a couple days ago puts forth a good argument why he isn't. If you don't have BP Premium I'll PM you the article because I'm pretty sure I can't post it. (Though you should have BP Premium, a must have for any baseball fan)
if you don't mind i would love to see that article.

BTW Slayer is an awesome band. I'm more of an indy fan but i can appreciate some quality metal.
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:28 PM    (permalink) 
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I'm all over it Raoul.
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I'm all over it Raoul.
If you don't mind, could I see it as well?
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If you don't mind, could I see it as well?
absolutely
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I hate Zambrano. Hate him with a passion. But you're a damn fool if you take Willis over a horse like Carlos.
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:37 PM    (permalink) 
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:39 PM    (permalink) 
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I'll take a look.
no, you're a Michigan fan. I will not let you see it.
I just noticed your from cleveland to. Where abouts? I'm living downtown.
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:41 PM    (permalink) 
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I'll take a look.
no, you're a Michigan fan. I will not let you see it.
I just noticed your from cleveland to. Where abouts? I'm living downtown.
I live in th 'burbs. I live in Aurora. Though I'm going back to school in Ada soon
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:43 PM    (permalink) 
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I'll take a look.
no, you're a Michigan fan. I will not let you see it.
I just noticed your from cleveland to. Where abouts? I'm living downtown.
I live in th 'burbs. I live in Aurora. Though I'm going back to school in Ada soon
I spent part of my youth in shaker heights and around gates mill.
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Huh. That was pretty interesting.
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:45 PM    (permalink) 
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no, you're a Michigan fan. I will not let you see it.
I just noticed your from cleveland to. Where abouts? I'm living downtown.
I live in th 'burbs. I live in Aurora. Though I'm going back to school in Ada soon
I spent part of my youth in shaker heights and around gates mill.
cool
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:52 PM    (permalink) 
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no, you're a Michigan fan. I will not let you see it.
I just noticed your from cleveland to. Where abouts? I'm living downtown.
I live in th 'burbs. I live in Aurora. Though I'm going back to school in Ada soon
I spent part of my youth in shaker heights and around gates mill.
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Not really. Everyone in shaker heights thought they were great because their parents were rich.
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:54 PM    (permalink) 
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Aurora's the same way
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:56 PM    (permalink) 
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Aurora's the same way
Makes me happy i live in the city right now.
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Old 08-02-2006, 09:55 AM    (permalink) 
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I would rather have Joel Zumaya.

This kid is those two put together.

and I am happy with Verlander too!
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I would rather have Joel Zumaya.

This kid is those two put together.

and I am happy with Verlander too!
how about zumaya pitch in the WS, win a RoY, win 22 games to lead the majors, pitch for more then 2 years without an injury (prone problems he has), then lets talk?
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Zambrano has been worlds more consistent than Willis while being a total workhorse. I love Willis, but his mechanics have a tendency of unraveling on their own and I'm not quite sure he can survive on his fastball forever.

I take Zambrano by a small margin.
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I would rather have Joel Zumaya.

This kid is those two put together.

and I am happy with Verlander too!
how about zumaya pitch in the WS, win a RoY, win 22 games to lead the majors, pitch for more then 2 years without an injury (prone problems he has), then lets talk?
How about Dontrelle start a game in the WS or pitch at least 4 innings before we bring up the WS argument?
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They are both awesome, and would love either one on the Mets, but I would take Carlos Zambrano, he is averaging a K per inning and averages about 6 2/3 innings per start. He also has deadly stuff, if he could just get it under control, he would definately be the top pitcher in baseball.
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I would rather have Joel Zumaya.

This kid is those two put together.

and I am happy with Verlander too!
how about zumaya pitch in the WS, win a RoY, win 22 games to lead the majors, pitch for more then 2 years without an injury (prone problems he has), then lets talk?
How about Dontrelle start a game in the WS or pitch at least 4 innings before we bring up the WS argument?
Willis took that team to the world series more then any other player on the team. If he didnt come up and have the spark he did, the marlins dont make the playoffs at all. Or even start their incredible run.

I would take zambrano or willis over verlander or zumaya.
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