Draft Countdown Forums

Go Back   Draft Countdown Forums > Draft Countdown Forums > Pro Football

Pro Football Discuss professional football.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-22-2006, 12:17 PM    (permalink
eacantdraft
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,137
Reputation: -170
eacantdraft smells like sex panther.
Default Revist 2004 QB draft.

If you knew now what you knew then, who would you take if you had to start a team today.

I'd take Big Ben who I liked the best before the 2004 draft. He's big and throws well on the run.

To provide balance in the choices I ranked them to the order that the QB's were drafted.
eacantdraft is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 12:22 PM    (permalink
 
Posts: n/a
Reputation:
Default

Eli is going to be very good, probably a pro-bowler, but Ben has the ring so i would have to choose him.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 12:27 PM    (permalink
bsaza2358
Arch-Bishop
Icon
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 15,212
Reputation: 234557
bsaza2358 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bsaza2358 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bsaza2358 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bsaza2358 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bsaza2358 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bsaza2358 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bsaza2358 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bsaza2358 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bsaza2358 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bsaza2358 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bsaza2358 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I don't think the Giants would have done it any differently. I'm guessing the Chargers liked the deal they got to trade back from #1 to #4. Rivers was their guy, and I don't think either Ben or Eli would have cracked the lineup with Brees playing the way he did. Since Marty and AJ both liked Rivers, he'd probably still got #4. I'm not sure Ben would have been as good without the great O-Line and running game in Pittsburgh. Still, the Steelers love him. I don't think I would have done it any differently.
__________________



I am "America's Poster"... http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/for...9&postcount=25

bsaza2358 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 12:49 PM    (permalink
Number 10
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 11,267
Reputation: 1269
Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.
Default

Even though I have admitted Big Ben has played better QB over the course of their first 2 years in the NFL, I would still take Eli over him if I were starting my own team. This is the year Eli will be put ahead of Big Ben on almost every board.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul View Post
Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikes99ej View Post
These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Number 10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 12:53 PM    (permalink
BehrenMan007
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 2,063
Reputation: 30
BehrenMan007 hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

The man with the ring on his finger
__________________

credit to cardsalltheway
BehrenMan007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:00 PM    (permalink
danman253
 
Posts: n/a
Reputation:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 10
Even though I have admitted Big Ben has played better QB over the course of their first 2 years in the NFL, I would still take Eli over him if I were starting my own team. This is the year Eli will be put ahead of Big Ben on almost every board.

That title under your name is very true.

Unless Eli takes the Giants very far, i'm not putting him ahead of Ben. No way no how.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:01 PM    (permalink
bigbluedefense
Team Leader
Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Jersey
Posts: 29,170
Reputation: 4076734
bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

When you draft a qb, he is your guy for the next 12 years. Not 2. I like Ben alot and think he will be a great qb, but knowing what I know now, Id still take Eli because he will be the better qb over the coarse of their careers. Ben has won a SB and has a better win % yes, but thats not entirely him, and knowing what I know about my team, I know for a fact that Ben wouldn't be as successful as he is now if the Giants drafted him. That doesn't mean Ben is bad...if you think just because he throws 17 times a game and he has an all world oline/run game/defense that he is not good, then youre wrong. Hes a great qb in his own right, but at the same time, I think the media and common fans alike have overrated him because they relate the Steeler's success directly to Ben Roethlisberger which is not true.

Eli will make the leap this year and prove all the doubters wrong. I think Ben and Eli will be similar to Marino/Elway in a way because both will be great and you can make a strong argument for both...but ultimately you can't go wrong with either.

I like Phillip Rivers and Im rooting for him, but I think Ben is better, but again, that doesn't mean that Rivers will be bad. Schaub winded up being a 3rd round sleeper, hes good too.

Honestly, Im not a believer in JP Lossman, never have been. I believe every qb must get 4 years before you call them busts, but I have a feeling Lossman will disappoint.
__________________
bigbluedefense is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:04 PM    (permalink
Number 10
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 11,267
Reputation: 1269
Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by danman253
Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 10
Even though I have admitted Big Ben has played better QB over the course of their first 2 years in the NFL, I would still take Eli over him if I were starting my own team. This is the year Eli will be put ahead of Big Ben on almost every board.

That title under your name is very true.

Unless Eli takes the Giants very far, i'm not putting him ahead of Ben. No way no how.
We'll see.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul View Post
Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikes99ej View Post
These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Number 10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:04 PM    (permalink
draftguru151
:/
Legend
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: RAWR
Posts: 39,387
Reputation: 3802193
draftguru151 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.draftguru151 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.draftguru151 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.draftguru151 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.draftguru151 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.draftguru151 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.draftguru151 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.draftguru151 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.draftguru151 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.draftguru151 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.draftguru151 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I'm still taking Eli, then Rivers, then Big Ben.
__________________

<Gaius_Baltar> That is correct comahan
<vidae> I ******* LOVE YOU DG
<njx9> <3 dg
draftguru151 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:06 PM    (permalink
Ward
Administrator
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: A thread near you!
Posts: 13,772
Reputation: 24270
Ward is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ward is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ward is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ward is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ward is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ward is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ward is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ward is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ward is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ward is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ward is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I voted Rivers. I liked him better in college than the other two.
Ward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:07 PM    (permalink
bigbluedefense
Team Leader
Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Jersey
Posts: 29,170
Reputation: 4076734
bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

And while I agree that the ring on Ben's finger makes him better as of now, its unfair to make him out to be the best based solely on that reason. Many great qb's don't have rings, and many average ones do, but you wouldn't confuse the 2. Dilfer, Rypien, Theisman, etc is no way, shape or form better than Marino.

I think its much too early to make a consensus decision on who was the best qb from this draft class. Based on what we've already seen, Ben is the best at the moment. But none of us can see the future, and much can change over the next 10 years. Especially since alot of these qbs are still developing. Eli will make the leap this year, Rivers finally gets to start, Schaub has yet to get his much deserved starting job on a different team...its faaaar too early to look back on this draft class.
__________________
bigbluedefense is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:12 PM    (permalink
Number 10
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 11,267
Reputation: 1269
Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.
Default

And like I have said before, I hold off my big time judgments on QBs until they have played for three years. Ben has one year left, Eli has a year or 2 left, and Rivers has 3 left.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul View Post
Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikes99ej View Post
These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Number 10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:15 PM    (permalink
Immaculate Tackle
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 571
Reputation: 10
Immaculate Tackle hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by draftguru151
I'm still taking Eli, then Rivers, then Big Ben.
Wow...you're taking a guy with a career percentage of 50% and a guy who has done nothing over someone who has posted back to back 98 QB ratings? Not to mention 3 great ROAD playoff performances?

And bigbluedefense has some good points, but he continues to overrate the Steelers pass protection. They are fierce run blockers, but terribly inconsistent pass protectors.

I'm not saying that Eli Manning is a bust. But he's done nothing to show anyone that he is better than Roethlisberger. Sure, Roethlisberger has some better defensive talent (that's about the limit of BB's advantages). And it's possible that he will be better than Roethlisberger. But there's no actual positive evidence that he will be.
Immaculate Tackle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:20 PM    (permalink
bigbluedefense
Team Leader
Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Jersey
Posts: 29,170
Reputation: 4076734
bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Immaculate Tackle
Quote:
Originally Posted by draftguru151
I'm still taking Eli, then Rivers, then Big Ben.
Wow...you're taking a guy with a career percentage of 50% and a guy who has done nothing over someone who has posted back to back 98 QB ratings? Not to mention 3 great ROAD playoff performances?

And bigbluedefense has some good points, but he continues to overrate the Steelers pass protection. They are fierce run blockers, but terribly inconsistent pass protectors.
Well, theyre pass protection isn't the best best in the league, but its by far not the worst. Ive paid attention to Ben's footwork in the pocket, and its not great which leads to some of his sacks. He doesn't step up in the pocket enough, he likes sitting back there and rolling out...this looks flashy on tv but is not the proper way. A couple of times Ive seen him roll out and get sacked when he couldve easily stepped up and evaded pressure, and made the throw, so while the pass protection may not be Seattle's, its not as bad as the numbers indicate.
__________________
bigbluedefense is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:31 PM    (permalink
Number 10
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 11,267
Reputation: 1269
Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Immaculate Tackle
Quote:
Originally Posted by draftguru151
I'm still taking Eli, then Rivers, then Big Ben.
Wow...you're taking a guy with a career percentage of 50% and a guy who has done nothing over someone who has posted back to back 98 QB ratings? Not to mention 3 great ROAD playoff performances?

And bigbluedefense has some good points, but he continues to overrate the Steelers pass protection. They are fierce run blockers, but terribly inconsistent pass protectors.

I'm not saying that Eli Manning is a bust. But he's done nothing to show anyone that he is better than Roethlisberger. Sure, Roethlisberger has some better defensive talent (that's about the limit of BB's advantages). And it's possible that he will be better than Roethlisberger. But there's no actual positive evidence that he will be.
And that's why there will be no winner to this debate. They both have a ways to go in terms of becoming complete QBs in this league. Ben can do things Eli can't, Eli can do things Ben can't. They are both in good situations right now in terms of the team they play for. This debate can't seriously take place for another 2-3 years even though it will have it's own thread at least 10 times between now and February.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul View Post
Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikes99ej View Post
These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Number 10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:38 PM    (permalink
Immaculate Tackle
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 571
Reputation: 10
Immaculate Tackle hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Out of curiosity, what do you think Eli can do that Ben can't?
Immaculate Tackle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:43 PM    (permalink
 
Posts: n/a
Reputation:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Immaculate Tackle
Out of curiosity, what do you think Eli can do that Ben can't?
Look at this

Player G Att Cmp Pct Tot /Att /G TD TD% Int Int% Sack Rat
Eli Manning 16 557 294 52.8 3762 6.8 235.1 24 4.3 17 3.1 27 75.9





Player Team Yds Yds/Att Yds/Gm Att Comp Comp % TD INT Sacked Rating
1. Ben Roethlisberger PITTSBURGH 2385 8.9 149.1 268 168 62.7 17 9 23 98.6


Now shut up
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:46 PM    (permalink
steel man
DC GFX Team
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 1,474
Reputation: 11674
steel man is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.steel man is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.steel man is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.steel man is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.steel man is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.steel man is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.steel man is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.steel man is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.steel man is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.steel man is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.steel man is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

i like Ben in college above any of the others. he is bigger, stronger, has a stronger arm, smarter, can throw on the run better, and more accurate than all of the others execpt maybe and i mean maybe Rivers. i was hoping the steelers didnt want Rivers like was 1st said and the chargers like Ben like was 1st said. i am very happy with who we got.

you can say that us winning is not all Ben and you are right this is a team game. no one has won in football all by their selfs, but a player can have a bigger % than others and Ben is a Large, Large part of why we won, because we have basically the same team except QB and we could not win and then Ben comes and we go 15-1(and he did not loss the 1) break all kinds of records and come within 1 game of back to back super bowls. the reason we didnt was Ben was hurt and tired and i know we could have beat both teams because we did back to back also stopping NE's win streak.

so bottom line is i much rather have Ben!
__________________

Matthew 19:26
Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but With God ALL things are possible
steel man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:47 PM    (permalink
Number 10
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 11,267
Reputation: 1269
Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.Number 10 is a cocksman.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Immaculate Tackle
Out of curiosity, what do you think Eli can do that Ben can't?
Honestly, I don't even want to get into the discussion because other people will jump in and start bantering about how I think too highly of Eli....etc. Once the season is under way we will all have more ammo to fire with, so I'd rather wait til then to have a full blown debate. But to answer your question shortly...I think Eli has more pocket presence and awareness than Ben does. Eli has a feel for pressure that I rarely see in any veteran QBs-let alone a first year starter. I feel that he is more clutch than Ben is (even though Eli played the worst I have seen any playoff QB play against the Panthers last January). He is so dependable late in games when the team needs points on the board, can't say that about Ben yet. I'm not saying he can't be dependable, but that offense has never been in his hands and when it needs to be, I just don't see "it". They both have strong arms, but I would give the arm strength edge to Eli, especially on the 5-10 yard throws and the 40+ yard throws.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul View Post
Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikes99ej View Post
These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Number 10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:49 PM    (permalink
Shiver
Icon
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: The Lynn Swan of SWDC Hall of Fame
Posts: 18,252
Reputation: 210983
Shiver is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shiver is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shiver is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shiver is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shiver is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shiver is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shiver is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shiver is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shiver is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shiver is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shiver is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Yeah, I agree. It takes three years to first judge a draft class. No one knows how good Losman or Rivers will be. This thread would be much better next year.
__________________

Shiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:51 PM    (permalink
drowe
Mr. Underrated
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Green Bay
Posts: 6,858
Reputation: 96489
drowe is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.drowe is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.drowe is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.drowe is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.drowe is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.drowe is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.drowe is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.drowe is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.drowe is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.drowe is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.drowe is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

who in the bloody hell voted for jp losman.

it has to be ben. i know he didn't throw 25-30 times a game. but all he's done is win. he's played smart and done what he's had to do.
manning does have an upside as of now, and he COULD take the next step. but how can you argue with results.
and i know it wasn't all big ben...but A LOT of those players were there when tommy maddox was under center.
drowe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:52 PM    (permalink
Jughead10
The Juggernaut
Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Baltimore
Posts: 23,173
Reputation: 487699
Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by steel man
i like Ben in college above any of the others. he is bigger, stronger, has a stronger arm, smarter, can throw on the run better, and more accurate than all of the others execpt maybe and i mean maybe Rivers. i was hoping the steelers didnt want Rivers like was 1st said and the chargers like Ben like was 1st said. i am very happy with who we got.

you can say that us winning is not all Ben and you are right this is a team game. no one has won in football all by their selfs, but a player can have a bigger % than others and Ben is a Large, Large part of why we won, because we have basically the same team except QB and we could not win and then Ben comes and we go 15-1(and he did not loss the 1) break all kinds of records and come within 1 game of back to back super bowls. the reason we didnt was Ben was hurt and tired and i know we could have beat both teams because we did back to back also stopping NE's win streak.

so bottom line is i much rather have Ben!
Ben is no where near smarter than Eli. That might be the one thing that will always hold him back from being head and shoulders above Eli.

Also how hurt and tired was he really? Cowher didn't seem to think so.
Jughead10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 01:52 PM    (permalink
SuperMcGee
Team Leader
Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 40 light-years outside of the Buttermilk Nebula
Posts: 24,995
Reputation: 5218385
SuperMcGee is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SuperMcGee is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SuperMcGee is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SuperMcGee is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SuperMcGee is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SuperMcGee is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SuperMcGee is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SuperMcGee is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SuperMcGee is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SuperMcGee is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.SuperMcGee is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Losman beating Rivers?

I figured I'd throw JP a homer sympathy vote, but apparently the guy that needs it is the guy I'd actually take - Philip Rivers
SuperMcGee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 02:01 PM    (permalink
Immaculate Tackle
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 571
Reputation: 10
Immaculate Tackle hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jagfan33
Quote:
Originally Posted by Immaculate Tackle
Out of curiosity, what do you think Eli can do that Ben can't?
Look at this

Player G Att Cmp Pct Tot /Att /G TD TD% Int Int% Sack Rat
Eli Manning 16 557 294 52.8 3762 6.8 235.1 24 4.3 17 3.1 27 75.9
Player Team Yds Yds/Att Yds/Gm Att Comp Comp % TD INT Sacked Rating
1. Ben Roethlisberger PITTSBURGH 2385 8.9 149.1 268 168 62.7 17 9 23 98.6
Now shut up
Great argument, moron. Care to explain how that proves anything? Also, were you shaken as a baby?
To the other guy:
Quote:
He is so dependable late in games when the team needs points on the board, can't say that about Ben yet. I'm not saying he can't be dependable, but that offense has never been in his hands and when it needs to be, I just don't see "it".
You've got to be kidding me. Roethlisberger has SEVEN come-from-behind victories. The reason he's lost so few games is that he almost never comes up short when they need him the most. Read and weep:
Quote:
Tom Brady is next on the list and, remember, these numbers do include the postseason. Brady is one of only a handful of quarterbacks with a winning record in more than three games with a fourth-quarter deficit. The others are Marc Bulger (10-5), Ben Roethlisberger (7-2), Steve Young (7-4) and John Elway (7-6). Bulger, who ranks eighth by this metric, is the only one in that group that has yet to win a Super Bowl.
Immaculate Tackle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2006, 02:08 PM    (permalink
Jughead10
The Juggernaut
Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Baltimore
Posts: 23,173
Reputation: 487699
Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Jughead10 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Tom Brady is next on the list and, remember, these numbers do include the postseason. Brady is one of only a handful of quarterbacks with a winning record in more than three games with a fourth-quarter deficit. The others are Marc Bulger (10-5), Ben Roethlisberger (7-2), Steve Young (7-4) and John Elway (7-6). Bulger, who ranks eighth by this metric, is the only one in that group that has yet to win a Super Bowl.
Sounds like one of those dumb KC Joyner metrics. I think this stat is an abberation. Look at how many opportunities Ben has already had. 7-2. Elways was 7-6 in his entire career. So in two years Ben has had 4 less come from behind oppotunities than Elway did in his entire career? My guess would be a lot of those comebacks were of 3 or less points.
Jughead10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:16 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.