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Old 04-23-2007, 06:18 PM    (permalink
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This arguement is very subjective. Football is specialists sport. How can you say that Joe Montana was a better football player than LT Sr or Jim Brown? LT Sr. was as important to his teams Super Bowl wins as Montana was?

Did Montana make Jerry Rice a Superstar or was it vice versa.
Jerry Rice was extremely productive under quarterbacks not named Joe Montana as well so your point is defeated sir. As for your subjective comment I concur with it.
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Well, I guess you could say that he made Steve Young look good too, but thats just trying to find an excuse.
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clearly jerry rice

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I think a better question would be: "If you could pick one player in the history of the game to begin your franchise with, who would it be?" Trying to figure out who's the best is impossible.
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My top three are Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, and Deion Sanders. All dominated their position and were men amongst boys. I also feel all 3 revolutionized their respective positions.
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Jerry Rice was extremely productive under quarterbacks not named Joe Montana as well so your point is defeated sir. As for your subjective comment I concur with it.
By qb's not named Joe Montana you are referring to a HOF'er and one of the top qb's in the NFL before his injury. Steve Young and Rich Gannon. Rice always had the luxury of having a great qb. Even so he is still head and shoulders above all the rest of the WR's in NFL history.
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I think a better question would be: "If you could pick one player in the history of the game to begin your franchise with, who would it be?" Trying to figure out who's the best is impossible.
With a question like that I think it shifts the focus of best player from RB (Brown, Payton, Sayers) to QB's like Unitas, Marino, Elway, Montana, etc. When starting a franchise the key is getting a leader at Quarterback above all else, as other positions are much easier to replace. Quarterback is where you build the franchsie though, so that's where the conversation would end up, IMO.
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With a question like that I think it shifts the focus of best player from RB (Brown, Payton, Sayers) to QB's like Unitas, Marino, Elway, Montana, etc. When starting a franchise the key is getting a leader at Quarterback above all else, as other positions are much easier to replace. Quarterback is where you build the franchsie though, so that's where the conversation would end up, IMO.
Yeah, it would probably end up there....but man, it would awfully hard for me to pass up on Lawrence Taylor.
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Yeah, it would probably end up there....but man, it would awfully hard for me to pass up on Lawrence Taylor.
If I could have any defensive player, I think most people would start with him too. No one compares to him, he was just a monster.
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If I could have any defensive player, I think most people would start with him too. No one compares to him, he was just a monster.
If I couldn't have him on defense, Id probably go with Deacon Jones. He's probably the closest thing to LT.

QB is so tough. Who was the best? You can name a bunch of names here. If you put a gun to my head though, Id probably go with Montana.
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If I couldn't have him on defense, Id probably go with Deacon Jones. He's probably the closest thing to LT.

QB is so tough. Who was the best? You can name a bunch of names here. If you put a gun to my head though, Id probably go with Montana.
Yeah it's so hard to choose the best QB, because of all the good ones out there. For me I like Elway for my money, even though he is a Bronco. If not him, then Marino, followed by Montana. This just leads to another debate though that won't have any definitive answer. I just think with all the accolades, comebacks, and Super Bowl rings Elway recieved and accomplished over his career, I don't know if there's anyone else I would rather have in the fourth quarter.
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If his career continues at this rate, he very well could find his place in that discussion, if he hasn't already. He's like a Marino with a ring.
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im going out on a limb with an often overlooked player: herman moore

he was up there with jerry rice for 7 seasons in the nfl, but he actually had more career catches for more than 35 yards than rice... im not arguing that hes a better receiver than rice, but add the fact that he was the lions punt returner for 10 years, and he started at free safety i believe for his last few seasons... he played three positions, one of them at hall of fame caliber the other two above average... he deserves to be mentioned as best player of all time
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Barry was the greatest offensive player of all time. At least Jerry Rice had a team around him, barry did everything by himself. You guys are making me throw up with all this Gale Sayers talk.

LT is the greatest defensive player of all time and there is no question about that.

why is everyone giving deion so much love? I'll take Champ Bailey over Deion any day of the week. Champ can dish out the pain.
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Barry was the greatest offensive player of all time. At least Jerry Rice had a team around him, barry did everything by himself. You guys are making me throw up with all this Gale Sayers talk.

LT is the greatest defensive player of all time and there is no question about that.

why is everyone giving deion so much love? I'll take Champ Bailey over Deion any day of the week. Champ can dish out the pain.
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If I couldn't have him on defense, Id probably go with Deacon Jones. He's probably the closest thing to LT.

QB is so tough. Who was the best? You can name a bunch of names here. If you put a gun to my head though, Id probably go with Montana.
I'd probably start with Mean Joe Greene, but then again, He'd probably be a DE by today's standards. I still think he would make one hell of an impact.


I'd have to go with Jim Brown if not Greene.. I'd love to say Lambert as he was my favorite Steeler ever, but I'm sure that would just be me bing a homer.
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Jim Brown and Jerry Rice on the offensive Side of the ball either or, you all pick

Dick Butkus for best defensive player ever

And Deon shouldnt be in the conversation even, unless he learned how to tackle.
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I don't fee l like reading this whole thread. Was Thorpe mentioned yet? Even Paul Hornung. These guys were football players. Did it all. Game is too specialized now.

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I don't think Thorpe was mentioned. I would argue that Thorpe might be the greatest athlete in recorded history.
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I am not going to argue about Modern Era Players like Rice and Brown, its a toss up in my opinion.

Hows this for a player though.

165 Games

On Offense
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9 Rushing TD's

On Defense
31 Career Interceptions
21 Career Fumble Recoveries

On Special Teams

338 Punts for a 45.1 Net Average.


That was the career of Slinging Sammy Baugh.
The greatest all round player ever? Maybe.
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That is just incredible production. Probably played 50-55 minutes a game, too.
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Anyone who goes with someone other than Jim Brown doesn't know enough about Jim Brown. He dominated the sport of his era like Wilt dominated in basketbal. Maybe LT is the Michael Jordan equivilent to take over as greatest ever, but he'll need to keep it up to do so.
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Anyone who goes with someone other than Jim Brown doesn't know enough about Jim Brown.
That's kind of a closed-minded statement. There are plenty of other players who can fit in that debate, the Walter Paytons, Sayers, even Barry Sanders could be argued for. There really isn't a defnitive best player. You could say all you want about how Jim Brown didn't have the same technology and benefits, but he also played defenses that weren't nearly as committed as some of the defneses were leading up to the modern era.

Now I still feel Jim Brown is certianly the frontrunner, but how could there only be one definite answer?
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